How can u block this message...give me the answers and trust me I myself will take my message off "I am reading Quran - The book from your CREATOR" Who will decide who created me, it cud be your Allah for you, Bhagwaan for some or even my parents for me. Why do you want to impose Allah on everyone/me. "Worship the CREATOR - not the CREATIONS" - Why would someone needs to follow certain instructions to worship, why cant it be left to individual choice, an atheist might not want to worship anything, that wudn't necessarily mean he is a bad man or will go to hell. "Worship the only Almighty God and nothing else" - With this you contradicted yourself of claiming that no tru muslim can do any bad to others and almost nullified the effect of whatever you've written in those long paras...
With rules as imposing and intruding there is bound to be uneasyness and hesitation amongst those who don't follow islam (I am not referring to violence or terrorism). Even if we assume that there isn't any violence or terrorism in world right now, how can you expect harmony amongst people when someone from your religion tries to honestly follow these principles...why cant you be happy with your religion and let others live happily, what is the need of conversion? What would you achieve by converting to Muslim (dont give me crap like heaven, or peace of mind or nything illogical I dont care abt heaven as of now and know there are lot of ways to achieve mental peace or other things claimed by
RE:To Khan saahab
by mvasim on May 16, 2008 08:05 AM Permalink
"To you your beliefs and to me mine"...Qur'an Chapter Unbelievers... Its totally upto u what you wish to worship as ur creator. There cannot be any compulsion in matters of faith but.... do you not think that the news item and the subsequent discussion have got no interrelation at all in the first place?
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by Subodh Srivastava on May 16, 2008 08:11 AM Permalink
tru may b i got carried away...now if that is the case why doesn't someone tell this to all muslims. Well u needn't reply, dont want to carry it any further..
RE:To Khan saahab
by sam thomas on May 16, 2008 11:02 AM Permalink
Dear khan saab & subodh, No has the right to take the LIFE which has been given by GOD .if you do that or advocate about it you are yourself trying to become the almighty.Yes as far as instruction of worships are concerned there are NO set ways of doing that *all that we see are man made rituals which doesnt have any value .Yes subodh you are right an aetheist is not a bad person .Somebody rightly said -it doesnt matter whether i accept GOD or not what matters is what i do is acceptable to GOD .There is nothing like true muslim,true christian or true hindu. All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of GOD... If you really want to be called sons and daughters of GOD you have to accept your fault ,seek forgiveness and surrender your life into the hands of GOD .No one can attain spiritual maturity on his own (a myth has been created ) by doing KARMA .All our works are like filthy rags because we do karma out of selfish desires and ambitions ,out of jealousy,out of greed ,even the most corrupt also talk about the same. Some think that there position in the world is because of their KARMA and they are entitled to do anything and evrything..very few are there who work selflessly. Religion cannot give us MOKSHA,SALVATION OR HEAVEN. As far as achieving peace through other ways is concerned ...There are no two other ways .Only a peace giver can give peace and that is GOD almighty who gave his only begotten son JESUS CHRIST to die a cruel death on the cross .He is wonderf
RE:To Khan saahab
by mvasim on May 16, 2008 08:16 AM Permalink
But at the same time ...forget that Allh or Bhagwaan or Eeshwar or anyone created the whole universe...Let us say that some supreme power has created the entire universe..which obviously fortunately/unfortunately has ourselves also as a part of it... Do we not have to really believe that some supreme force has created us and that those things or creatures within this Universe could not have possible created the Universe...Also the likelihood of this magnificient Universe having been created by cahnce are remote upto "0"!!! So if you wish to believe in that power its upto u if u do not wish to again its upto u. Coz no one has the right to force anyone to do anything except present the truth as we see it..What to do after that is totally ur prerogative.
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by Subodh Srivastava on May 16, 2008 09:12 AM Permalink
Couldn't stop myself from responding to you...I myself am a believer, I believe in that Supreme power and we call HIM with whatever names. Trust me I bow my head whenever I am passing by a temple, dargah, gurudwaara or church but at the same time I don't feel the need to press non-believers into believing something, coz i believe there being a gud human being is far more important than believing in GOD. I believe that Supreme power is intelligent enough to know who are the more worthy of moksha, jannat or watever u mean by eternity. Whether it is those who do good deeds or those who are religious goto temples etc. and forget everythng once they come out of it. I believe in Karma. May be I am scared of following an untested/unproven path. You can call me materialistic or someone who want to experience the worldly pleasures rather than dedicating myself totally for religion. I believe its the time to stand up against those who have been using common man for their gains by creating these differences amongst us(not talking abt religious differences only.) I am a human and want to remain that way, that also means that I am not static and my beliefs are bound to change with time, am effected by unfair things happening around and get might get biassed at times. I am open to all possibilities and those humane weaknesses... Wish everyone can think of bettering their own lives instead of these bullshit..
