The Chinese government is going to pay "compensation" to the victims of violence in Tibet, and in my country (the USA) the press is calling this "propaganda." The press did the same with the USSR. Any act of generosity, apology, or compromise on the part of an adversary is labeled "propaganda" because the West, generally, is opposed to the Chinese government and its designs. Tibet should have been left independent, of course, but we should be careful with the words we use to describe complicated events. To call an act of redemption, even a small one like this, "propaganda" is itself "propaganda." The best way to handle China may be to endorse its Olympics and welcome it into the industrialized world. Then they may have too much to lose to alienate the West.
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by maharaj wazir on Apr 04, 2008 03:42 PM Permalink
The best way forward is that china keeps the territory but give the people complete freedom to live and run their own affairs china must also understand that the massive industrilisation of rest of the china(even india)may not hv been the best way forward,hence leaving Tibet alone to keep their living/affairs and the culture untouched wud be the best comarison and benchmark for the whole world.
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by varghese on Apr 09, 2008 06:13 PM Permalink
THE ONLY WAY OUT IS THE DIS-INTEGRATION OF CHINA..WITH DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM SURELY CHINA WILL BREAK INTO 20 PIECES BY 2020...
USA AND THE WORLD SHOULD BEGIN BOYCOTTING CHINESE INDUSTRY..THEN THIS WILL HASTEN UP THE PROCESS OF BREAKING UP..SAME LIKE USSR..
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by steve chin on Apr 10, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
US needs Chinese support more then ever. US can not resolve issues with North Korea and Iran without Chinese support. Not to mention, US depends on China to finance their national debt.
Without CCP China may still be in pieces (>20 pieces). It hasn't been that long. We still remember what it's like to live in chaos, like slaves without a home, saling their own son for a fist of rice. China had a very dark modern history. I know CCP is not perfect (alots of room for improvement) but it's the best one yet. I like the direction China is moving toward. I hope CCP is here to stay (longer then 2020). I don't want my children to experience what my grand parents did.
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by Janam on Apr 25, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
Steve, U r right, you are better off than your grand parents, but this is not the right kind of growth, you do not have a say in what kind of growth you need. If the time the break neck growth is over, you would have lost many things. Just imagine your kids may say the same thing, without freedom of expression what the hell I am doing in this country, will telling them the tales of how bad it was in your grand parents time would convince them ??
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by steve chin on May 02, 2008 12:23 PM Permalink
Janam, tell me what the right kind of growth is. What is freedom of expression??? My friend, people express largely what they were taught to express. For that reason, what works in one culture may not function in another. Look it gender inequality in Japan. Things happen for a reason. CCP took over China (not KMT) because it had popular support during the civil war in 1940's. CCP's been in power for 59 years now and went through hundred flower movement, great leap forward, cultural revolution, economic reform and 4 leadership transition. China is still in "growing pain". Maybe someday my kids or my grandkids may ask for a different China. If the timing is right and population's ready, China will change.
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by steve chin on Mar 29, 2008 11:11 PM Permalink
"compensation" to the victims of violence in Tibet, and in my country (the USA) the press is calling this "propaganda." I need to clarify two things here. 1. The Chinese government is going to pay compensation to the (victims) innocent people who were killed, injured and had property losses during the Tibetan riot. These victims where mainly ethnic-Han not Tibetan. The official report said, 18 civilian and 1 police were killed (non identified as Tibetan). All the burnt down stores and buildings were own by again ethnic-Hans not Tibetans. Where is the act of redemption here? I did not hear a word of apology. It is clearly Chinese government's effort to calm the ethnic-Hans. The ethnic-Hans out numbers Tibetan 2:1 in Tibet. You don't want the ethnic-Han to chase down the Tibetan monks. The ethnic-Hans were brave enough to settle in Tibet during the worse times. They are a feisty crowd. 2. Tibet should have been left independent. If we examine the last 500 year of tibetan history, Tibet was ruled by others for more then 433 year and left independent for less than 67 years. Qing (Manchu-ethnic minority) Dynasty for 376 years and CCP for the last 57 years. Which means, Tibet was only left independent during war times or power transition in the Middle Kingdom. Believe it or not, majority of history Tibet had a peaceful co-existence with the other ethnic groups in the Middle Kingdom.
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by Nico Davis on Mar 30, 2008 06:11 PM Permalink
steve chin, if you are a person with no political and nationalism ideology as your preconception, first, you should invesigate and then talk. Otherwise, so-called "discusion" is only wasting time.
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by on Mar 31, 2008 10:36 AM Permalink
Nico Davis, if you are a person who believes in freedom of speech, then you should invesigate and then talk. Otherwise, so-called "discusion" with you white people is only wasting time.
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by on Mar 31, 2008 10:33 AM Permalink
From what has been reported so far, there was at least one Tibetan girl burnt to death in the March 14 riot.
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by on Mar 31, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
From what has been reported so far, there was at least 1 Tibetan girl burnt to death in the March 14 riot.
