average income in bihar/UP=1/4th the avg income of a person in maharashtra. This causes poor quality mass immigration into Mumbai/Maharashtra. Since these immigrants cannot get to higher position in these states, they get into theft and other illegal activities causing further distancing between the communities, the lalus and Mulayams are squarely to blame for forcing there populace to this dismal state. The difference betwen politicians of the maharashtra or the productive southern states and BIMARU states is not corruption but efficiency. Both are corrupt but one is corrupt and inefficient.
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 12:00 PM Permalink
You have failed to see the bigger picture. It's not Lalu, but the congress led central government. Lalu et al. are just product of the congress's anti-Bihari stand. The same congress who you guys adore in Maharashtra and other states.
RE:Root cause
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
For a change,I agree with u Tom.While Laloo is no saint and deserves severe punishment,it is the Congress which the Marathi manoos needs to reject in Maharashtra.The Congress-led UPA is shielding people like Laloo and also encouraging uncontrolled migration to Mahrashtra,Assam and other states from UP/BIhar so that it acts as a secure vote-bank for them to retain power.
RE:Root cause
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
congress led anti-bihari yes, but congress has been against every community in india, it is responsible for eliminating a whole generation of bengalis, it screwd the punjabis no end, it distanced the tamils, so why talk only about anti-bihari, all through they have been anti india. learn to see problems within yourself, there is a problem of culture in bihar and UP, see how women are treated in urban areas in your states, you will be able to get to your problem.
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 04:41 PM Permalink
Don't talk about UP and Bihar culture. UP/Bihar was the cradle of Indian civilization. Hinduism, Budhhism, Jainism took birth and developed there. The Hindu culture, you have in Maharashtra, has its root in these states. Language is just one thing.
Bihar ditched the congress long back in the national interest. But Delhi, Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra,Andhra Pradesh,Haryana,Goa and many more states are still ruled by congress led gov. Bihar has been neglected since British time. The Indian Rebellion of 1857 started in the Gangetic plain, mostly in Bihar ,eastern UP and central India. The people of this region suffered the most and they adopted anti-western stand. While the rest of India, including Bengal adopted English language , western knowledge and culture, the Hindi belt was opposed to anything western. After independence many of the Indian states saw the presence of sub-nationalism, which gave them a regional identity. While UP and Bihar till date has not regional identity. Sub-nationalism doesn't exists in these states and that makes them over look their regional interests.
RE:Root cause
by Allah on Mar 23, 2008 06:18 PM Permalink
What is the culture TODAY. Ancient india is different from modern india, the faster we realize this the better. Bihar has produced giants of wisdom in ancient india, it only produces Lallus today. Pakistan today is were Takshashila existed, but you what the situation is today. Dont take this as a personal attack. I am as much a Upite/Bihari as I am a Marathi or any other indo-ethinicity. UP/Bihar has a problem there is no doubt, denial will only postpone your introspection. Decay is always from the within. I gave you a simple hint about the status of women, Manu Smriti says a family which does not respect women, will be a family in poverty (both of knowledge and of wealth), the same holds true for a society as well as a nation. Hindi belt did produce many freedom fighter, but post independence you have produced nothing. Your opposition to English makes it clear that you are opposed to expanding your little circle and moreover hindi holds no more special position than any other regional language. Stop blaming parties and start looking at your homes (again dont take this personally).
RE:Root cause
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 06:20 PM Permalink
What is the culture TODAY. Ancient india is different from modern india, the faster we realize this the better. Bihar has produced giants of wisdom in ancient india, it only produces Lallus today. Pakistan today is were Takshashila existed, but you what the situation is today. Dont take this as a personal attack. I am as much a Upite/Bihari as I am a Marathi or any other indo-ethinicity. UP/Bihar has a problem there is no doubt, denial will only postpone your introspection. Decay is always from the within. I gave you a simple hint about the status of women, Manu Smriti says a family which does not respect women, will be a family in poverty (both of knowledge and of wealth), the same holds true for a society as well as a nation. Hindi belt did produce many freedom fighter, but post independence you have produced nothing. Your opposition to English makes it clear that you are opposed to expanding your little circle and moreover hindi holds no more special position than any other regional language. Stop blaming parties and start looking at your homes (again dont take this personally).
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
I don't think woman holds inferior status in Bihar. If a family is illiterate, it's both men and women. But, yes woman still don't inherit properties of their parents in most of the families. This keeps the dowry system alive. The main problem is castism. That brings racism in the society. People are not able to unite for any cause because of the existing caste loyalties. Their cause is narrow restricted to their caste. Bihar don't just produces Lalu. There are pools of highly qualified professionals working in India and abroad. Every 5th graduate from IIT is a Bihari. Bihari migrants working as skilled and unskilled workers in various parts of the country are very hard working and are law abiding citizens. Just a few great personalities don't makes a society. In recent times Dr. Naveen Chandra Ram Goolam (PM of Mauritius), Pratap Narain Radhakishun (ex-PM of Surinam), Vasudeo Pandey(ex-PM of Trinidad),Bhagat Jagdeo(President of Guyana)all are of Bihari origin.
RE:Root cause
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Since you mention IIT's may I remind you the only time IIT-JEE papers have leaked has been in Bihar, i think this puts things in a nut shell. We live in a democracy and you have the right to choose your leaders, why is it so difficult to check ones house. Giving me a list of ex PM's who have a 5th generation bihari link will do no good to your house cleaning mechanism. Today Bihar is the cheap labour force, wether it is Mumbai or Bangalore, it is high time this scenario changes, and there are better ways to improve this than to keep blaming the congress.
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 10:20 PM Permalink
Fright Equalization policy was introduced by the government to ensure same price of mineral resources in all the states. Bihar, a land locked states, lost its natural benefit. On the other hand, states with ports were the one which befitted twice - cheap raw materials as well as cheap transportation cost of finished products. This way, the expected industrialization of the state never happened. More over the flood in north Bihar, which never interests the central government, kept the people busy with the same old problem. Mean while lack of basic amenities, education .. kept them in the same old days.
What it means is.. even the locals in the land of minerals, will have to move to a city like Mumbai to start a business. Now if the industries starts in Maharashtra or TN the people from places like Bihar, will move there in search of work, as there is no new industries coming up at home. Small and medium scale industries in Bihar can't compete with their counter parts in other states like Gujarat, TN ..due to government's policies like Fright Equalization.
Most of the Indian states has many central university but Bihar doesn't have a single central university.
What are these if not anti-Bihar stands of the gov.?
Regarding cheap Bihari labour- One day if India will be able to compete with China, then it will be very much due to these cheap hardworking labours.
