By enforcing the Act we are only protecting the ill deeds and misdemeanour atrocities committed by some of the jawans/officers of the Great India Army. Do we really need such an Act ? Let the Army men concentrate on the Indian Borders NOT on the sari borders of innocent women. Dont convert Democracy into Demonocracy The politicians including the PM should give assurances that they can wholeheartedly implement at least in the case of human beings. On the one hand we celebrate Womens day, human rights day National integration day, et all but at the same time WE PEOPLE of INDIA close our eyes on these atrocities. I fully support the Army for their valour on the front and when they extend their arms to the civilians at the time of national disauters and natural calamities. Such good name should not be spoiled by continuiing the draconian Act. There are ways and ways to enforce peace in the North east or any part of the country, IF AT ALL our "MEN" in 'Khaki' or 'Khadi' really want to do so.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 05:12 AM Permalink
It so appears that in your opinion those who instructed deployment of army didn't want to enforce peace and army personnel are fools to control insurgency. It will be in greater good if you apprise yourself of the ground situation before using vivid imagination.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 05:17 AM Permalink
And as regards to all celebration talk, you won't need such deployment if the public is well-disciplined and there are no divisionary groups operating in country. Any breach of law must be dealt with iron hands and armed struggle aimed at law of land crushed beyond memory
Will you be happy fighting against the British with such law against you. This law is no more suitable at all in this democratic country. The great India should not go with such a black spot all.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
Mr Singh,
We were not a democracy under British. If somebody has to make a point, it is in good health of person and country to use non-violent means e.g. votes, media, etc. If a group of people want to impose its will on the lives of other people through the use of gun then you need to maintain law and order, and if is bigger threat to internal security then civilian law enforcement agencies can take then use of army is needed. And if you don't want to let people protecting constitution die then you need laws to protect them and facilitate them. That should make things sound more reasonable to you..
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by Thoudam Doren Singh on Mar 11, 2008 09:52 AM Permalink
It is accepted that such law will never bring solution such kind of situation discriminating humanity with such mind mindedness. This is an easy way to loose north east
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 10:36 AM Permalink
Then you may read it again as well. Again just to provide you some background, that region suffers from insurgency which endangers the life and property of citizens living there and functioning of government. Because the local agencies failed in law enforcement and threat perceived is high, center sought help of armed forces and to protect them from consequences of decisions that they have to take in course of duty to protect their and their peers life and achieve the goal of securing peace in area AFSPA was brought in force. Please go through the article with this background in mind.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 01:23 PM Permalink
And this is precisely what has led the lady to play with her life. Because somebody was naive enough to jump into something this serious without responsibility.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink
Then perhaps you lost knowledge and are thus able to make quite baseless and unreasonable comments...
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 10:00 AM Permalink
Also, just to let you make better argument in favor of your thinking - That law is not meant to bring any solution. It is to make situation viable for putting forth a solution. You can't do that with shots getting fired around you.
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by Thoudam Singh on Mar 11, 2008 01:14 PM Permalink
Stop following Bapuji.... GET MORE AND MORE WEAPONS AND FIGHT FOR PEACE.. what a profound thought..!!!
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by Thoudam Singh on Mar 11, 2008 10:00 AM Permalink
I accept you lost your balance. So go through the complete content of "Of Sharmila's re-arrest and an enduring struggle" once more.
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by Thoudam Doren Singh on Mar 11, 2008 12:39 PM Permalink
If this is the case, the country should be under military rule. NO MORE DEMOCRATIC WORD.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 01:12 PM Permalink
It means that you agree that either you aren't suitable to live in a democracy or you don't think it is right for you. Keep me out as I don't agree and have quite a firm belief in it as the majority of Indians do.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
If we are unfortunate enough that the whole of country is using arms against itself, then possibly that may be the only way out...
Precondition for anything meaningful in a democracy is peace. If you don't talk but fight in democracy then either it is not suitable or people are not ready for it. I sure believe you are, however the condition you imagined won't happen with people with sound mind around right?
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by Surmila Thokchom on Mar 11, 2008 09:46 AM Permalink
Such law will never bring solution such kind of situation discriminating humanity with such mind mindedness. This is an easy way to loose north east.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
It is quite funny to see words like "discriminating", "mind-mindedness" in reply. Do you have any basis/reasoning for what you are posting? If you do then present rather than just prophesying.
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by Nirpinder Singh on Mar 11, 2008 08:23 AM Permalink
It is obvious that Mr. Srinivasan has a much more balanced view than Mr. Tyagi. Internal disturbances are never the Armed Forces concern. There is no nation in the world where the Armed Forces have succesfully contained internal disturbances. The Armed Forces are there to protect and to serve the civilian populace not to opress them.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
And regarding use of armed forces, be aware it is not a permanent solution and nobody says it so, but until the situation is peaceful enough for people to exercise their constitutional rights and local law enforcement agencies are able to maintain law and order, you need it.
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by R Tyagi on Mar 11, 2008 09:10 AM Permalink
Perhaps, he does but then why do you hold elections over there? Why must people use arms rather than votes in a democracy? It is a law and order problem Mr Singh, if you have to let government work you need people not to use arms. And if they do, you need policing, but police is not meant to tackle groups that are armed beyond there capacity, and that is what happens in this case. Rest I believe you should be able to reason...
