RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 04:40 AM Permalink
GOD can be perceived. Infact, since GOD is all pervading and with in and beyond the creation, just like you exist wiht in your dream and in your selves.
By using ways and means, that are limited to mere material level, the aspects of GOD that are beyond the Material level cannot be perceived. Of course, there can be some proofs that can be given at the material level to prove that GOD or the universal counciousness exists.
For example, in recent times, modern science proved that Mind is more powerful than Body, which means Mind is powerful than Matter. Also proven is that, the thoughts originating in the mind are nothing but the energy concentrations that are the driving force behind that body level actions of an individual. Modern Science also proved that all matter is nothing but a solidified form of energy by way of Einsteins E=mc2 formula.
This means, that universal clounciousness is the reason in whom, the universal Mind exists, and in this universal Mind, the thought of material level creation arises. Just like the way, in your speck of counciousness OR soul, your Mind exists and with in your Mind, the thoughts are solodified by using the material aspects of the universal Mind.
Science, only could answer so much with in its limits, since its still evolving, and also it will never lead you to the ultimate destination of Universal Counciousness, since only self, the speck of counciousness, is able to perceive the universal counciousness. Any thing lower than
RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 04:46 AM Permalink
When you are having dreams, in this scenario, from the perspective of you , who is an actor in the dream, you have both the time and space limitations. but, when you are awake, the same you donot have the time and space limitations.
Similar in this world. As long as you are in this world, like the way you are in thsi world, time and space exists. Once you realize that you are all pervading and that of Omni potent and omni present, then, the time and space limits vanish. This is called Maya or divine illusion.
RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 04:50 AM Permalink
I like it. Time and space and material world are divine illusions. It is created by our consciousness, or the observer in us. So the material is same for you and me. A TV looks like TV for you and me also and for a dog also. So the observer in you and me and Dog has to be same. He is GOD brahman.
RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 04:43 AM Permalink
"What was GOD doing before this t=0? When you said GOD created, you are bringing in time . Because the process itself is timebound. So, external GOD of no timebound, no space bound doesnt make sense. "
hmm... and when you limit God to space and time you are saying God will die .. coz whatever has a beginning MUST have an end ! .. and that cannot be God !!
BTW .. your inquisitiveness is quite mature .. keep it going !
RE:RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 04:49 AM Permalink
When you are having dreams, in this scenario, from the perspective of you , who is an actor in the dream, you have both the time and space limitations. but, when you are awake, the same you donot have the time and space limitations.
Similar is in this world. As long as you are indulged in this world with your senses of body and that of the sense of Mind, like the way you are in this world, time and space exists. Once you realize that you are all pervading and that of Omni potent and omni present and all knowing, then, the time and space limits vanish. This is called Maya or divine illusion, since it is in reality doesnot exist, but you your self or me my self had fallen to this state.
RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 04:54 AM Permalink
If i slap you and say it doesn't exist its just illusion ???? .. pardon my language ..but this is the way i's also made to understand !!! u r a wiseman ..dont need further explaination ..do you?
RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by Sameer Bhagwat on Jun 18, 2008 07:14 AM Permalink
If thats the case, who defined these universal laws?
RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jun 18, 2008 05:24 AM Permalink
Interesting debate. Pritish - the word "created" as you say is definitely misleading. That's why in Hinduism its said that God Has Become The Universe or its a "projection" and not "creation" of part of the God's consciousness. I think as long as you call it Projection of the God you will understand the entire theory explained by Shridhar. Also because its a projection - we can say that God is in Everything - albeit - Everything is God. Also Maya or illusion does not mean "jagat mithya brahm satya". What you are saying makes sense ( through slapping ) with the above slogan from Adi Shankracharya. But that statement was made to just dilute Bhuddha's "Eeverything is Void" and bring back Hindus back in the Hindu fold. Jagat is not Mithya - if we say that then your slapping argument holds. But it is not so. What you need to do is consiously clear the veil between maya and mithya. Maya is not mirrage - its a necessity for the universe to exists and go forward.
RE:Why to assume external GOD that cannot be perceived
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 05:01 AM Permalink
Like if slapped you in your dreams, you will react and your actual bodys blood pressure will increase. It was a dream and never happened in reality but why your actual blood pressure should increase? It is less real not unreal.
