Good trick to play with the religious sentiments of common people. Good idea to receive huge donations. We the Indians are very sensitive as long as religion is concerned. We will never dare to think why they have discovered such an idea. We will start sending cheques favoring Dr. Lord Hanuman, thinking we are doing some favor to god. I beleive government will take some action against this wild idea.
RE:Good trick
by JGN on Jun 08, 2008 11:56 PM Permalink
Mr. Md Rahman, what do you think about circum-ambulating a black stone somewhere in the Arabian desert and the Indian government spending tax payaers money for subsidizing the same?
RE:Good trick
by Md Rahman on Jun 09, 2008 12:07 AM Permalink
JGN, why u r replying out of context ? why u r pulling Islam here ? No Muslim circum-ambulate black stone. Muslims kiss the black stone, as it says, the stone is from paradise, it absorbs your sins and cleans your heart and absolutely nothing else. No Muslim need subsidy to go for hajj. Hajj is mandatory only for rich Muslims, not for the poors at all. Moreover, its not that only Hindus pay tax, Muslims also pay tax. Change the way of your thinking and think something constructive.
RE:RE:Good trick
by JGN on Jun 09, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>the stone is from paradise, it absorbs your sins..........was it air-dropped by "the most merciful creator" ????
RE:Good trick
by Md Rahman on Jun 09, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
JGN, I feel pity for your knowledge. Yes hajj is mandatory only for those Muslims who are strong enough both economically and physically. If you have any doubt, you can ask any Islamic Scholar. I am not an scholar who can quote verses from The Holy Quraan. This is something each and every Muslim know. No the stone was not air dropped. It was brought by an angel named Jebrail (Gabriel in The Bible) from paradise to earth.
RE:Good trick
by Vasanth Srinivas on Jun 09, 2008 05:39 AM Permalink
Md Rahman - I really appreciate your "secular" views. But I wonder why do muslims use "secular" vision whenever there is an issue / concern raises from Hindu community. As you might be knowing - MITA (Muslims Information Technology Association) - what is this for...? Association for which community...? You wont bark against these odds. You dont have any morality left to comment about hindus.
You need to do an analysis as to what is meant by a hajj subsidy in reality! Do you know that the ever green Air India goes into profit because of Hajj pilgrims??? So it is that small share of the profit that is offered as a subsidy.
If you want to roll back such a subsidy more than welcome but that should be done on all levels and should apply to hindus as well (such as retrieving security for yatras which cost crores, building of bridges, railway stations for amarnath, kashi etc....)
RE:Good trick
by Secular Indian... on Jun 09, 2008 11:23 AM Permalink
Rahmaan Sb, ask him how did Hanuman fly off to Lanka while at the same time Ram took years to reach the same point??
Why didnt ram send hanuman in the first instance to lanka to rescue sita if the so called hindu god was taking sooooo long?
RE:Good trick
by Virgo on Jun 09, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
Secular Indian, stop giving us the standard Muslim apologist answer on Haj subsidies. I have done a lot of research on the subject. IT costs the government in real money about Rs. 300 Crores. That is real money that comes out of the tax payers' pocket in a so-called secular country.
As for your mentioning of security for Hindu Yatras and so on, providing security for communal public activities done with permission is the government's job in all democratic countries. No one would complain about security bandobast provided to Muslims public religious parades such as Ashura.
So please stop spinning. You call yourself a secular Indian but you are defending Haj. Isn't that rather hypocritical? This hypocrisy is the problem with the leftists, Muslims, commies and so on. Their idea of secularism is always selective when it suits them.
Either openly call for abolition of the Haj subsidy or stop calling yourself Secular Indian.
RE:Good trick
by Virgo on Jun 09, 2008 02:27 AM Permalink
Rahaman,
I do agree with your first post. However, in the same spirit, you must also denounce government Hajj subsidy. In a secular counrty, it is abhorrent to spend nearly Rs.300 crore a year to send people to Hajj. Since you have not come out and denounced the hajj subsidy, it does give the impression that you are being very selective in your judgement, though I agree with your first post. You can't pick and choose if you believe in secularism.
RE:Good trick
by JGN on Jun 09, 2008 12:14 AM Permalink
Then what is your problem with naming "Hanuman" as Chairman of some obscure college?
Where is it written that "Hajj is mandatory only for rich Muslims" ? Can you quote the relevant verse from The Quran?
So far as I know Muhammed had enjoined on all Muslims to visit Kaaba at least once in their life time in order to create a perpetual source of income for his tribe.
India is supposed to be a secular country where the tax payers money is to be spent for the welfare of all citizens, irrespective of caste, creed, colour, religion, region, etc. Why the govt should subsidize any religious pilgrimage (irrespective of religion) ?
Re: RE:Good trick
by Sunil Chandrashekharan on Apr 29, 2010 10:37 PM Permalink
The problem is for people who do not beleive in Hanuman . I would not personally want to study in a university where Hanuman is the chairman...I would not want to study in a college which forces you to follow islam either. If the university is using UGC money then they should keep it free from religion. I dont mind people being religious but when it is forced on you , that is different.
