Abubacker....sorry to say...you know clearly why babri masjid was demolished...becuase it was built after demolishing hindu temple..and come to gujarath roits...i tell u one example.. if u put fire to petrol tanker and later say that "hey help me...its burning..."...no one can help u out...the same way, you guyz burnt the train...and u have to face the consequences...got it buddy???
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by Abubacker Sidiq on Jul 26, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
onething mind it. Babri masjid no built after demonlishing hindu temple. Most of Mohalaas King to gave land for bulit hindus temple. Most of hindus temple built after demolisshing Budhist temple. What u do? Demolishing all temple dear. First u read orginal history then only u make history dear.
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by Balasubramanian S on Jul 26, 2008 08:06 PM Permalink
According to the historians of all colors (red, saffron and green) Buddha was originally a HINDU.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
Aurang destroyed somnath, mathura, kashi temples, talk about your misdeeds
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 07:41 PM Permalink
many tempeles were destroyed because they were becoming center for underground conspiracies and armed struggle against Muslim Rulers....Besides many temples had become like a brother house of DAASIS in which the pandits or elite people of the hindus were forcing girls to have sex with them...to stop this non sense many temples were destroyed. Read all the history before putting half truth and half lie here.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
Reformer, this is the skewed logic of the great aalim Dr. Zakir Naik. Are you telling me that even Bhamiyan Buddha was blasted due to "devadasi" system there?
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 08:22 PM Permalink
JGN, strange to see you are saying this " not to copy past"?? Which you do for yourself all the time. first..the raw quality of messege can easily be recognized by any intellect ( and not senile or bigoted ) person that these are my own words...though i refered history for confirmation before puting it here . I am not worried about who will beleive me or who not...people have their own liberty to make inquiries from all resources and confrim their authenticity..at least I am not behaving acting as an extremly arrogant bigot to just put the selected part of the history in twisted manner and higlight it while turning blind eyes to the rest of the violence and problems in the hisotry because of other nations and religions too. tell me..wasn't there any war among hindu kings before and during rule of Muslim Invaders??? I think these chapters were skipped from your history lessons. or your authentic resources like " voice of india" "jaagohindujaaago","dharmaraksha" "faithfreedomdotorg" "answeringislam" etc etc have shown you only the one side of coin? better YOU STOP COPY PASTING FROM SUCH INFAMOUS AND ILL REPUTED WEBSITES.
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 07:57 PM Permalink
first of all..did I tell ALL TEMPLES??? I said MANY TEMPLES....so that leaves out temples that have been destroyed for the purpose you mentioned above. and your knowledge is the coming out of "rewritten" history in order to fullfill the needs of "revisionims" so that you could wipe out the shameful history of being coward, opportunist, homesick ( never exploring anything out of India )and socially,ehtically and morally backward culture..which was then attacked by Muslim invaders and given a golden history...now the world is connected very well through internet and media and everyone is talking about world history and there are three major players so far ( christian, jews and Muslims ) and you don't find any presence in this regard to be proud of (except being only the oldest civilzation, vedic dharam and ayurvedic knowledge kind of things )...and you were just a bunch of morons fighting with each other and opressing each other through cast system..so now you want to some have maitain dignity by this propagenda as being the saintly, non violent, guest welcoming people who were attacked by 'BRUTAL MUSLIM INVADERS" and their supposed ATTROCITIES theory...and thus giving an exucse for your useless existance to the world history...besides these "attrocities and temple destroying" stories are at least helping you to bind together against a common imaginary enemy otherwise you people start fighting with each other in the name of language, culture, state,cast, city etc
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 08:04 PM Permalink
Reformer, better write something on your own rather than copying from Dr. Zakir Naik's web and pasting here. We are not small children to beleive his skewed logic.
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by asa asa on Jul 26, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
Accha.....what about destroying your prophet who had sex with nine year old....bloody reformer....start from your own bloody religion which has duniya bhar ka chutiyapa.
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 07:59 PM Permalink
well..your wordings..and your thoughts shows whose culture and upbringing is having DUNIYA BHAR KA.......
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 07:48 PM Permalink
now, you have given us a good excuse to destroy your madrasas and mosques, because we know that terrorists are hatching underground conspiracies in these areas
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
..Vivek, that explains your childish nature and how easily you have swollowed that " Invader attorcites, temple destroying, Islam is a cult theory".
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
Reformer, I have never copied anything from any such sites. I have not even visited any site mentioned by you except "faithfreedom" that too a cursory glance. I have no problem when some body do "copy paste" but that should not be skewed logic.
Yes, there were fights between hindu-hindu, muslim-muslim and muslim-hindu. We cannot correct historical wrongs. India after independence resembles nothing that existed prior to that. Even the world as a whole is not what existed before World War-II.
Learn from history; look forward to the future unbiased.
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 09:04 PM Permalink
Now you are talking some sense... what happened to your "apposite remarks and pasting of koranic verses in wrong places of debates" to increase the heat and drift?????? you did not mentioned here the "Most merciful wants his followers to slain and be slain in for HIS CAUSE??" What makes your logic sensible and straight and my logic skewed?? at least I am not creating hatred for one particular community and their relgion like you while turning a blind eye towards the fact? besides you support many of those ill knowledged, cheap, extremly intolerant and bigoted morons here who copy paste or write by their own any dirty filth about Islam, Prophet and Muslims? you dont have any problem supporting them their? besides yesterday i saw two non muslims guys were discussing abt bangalaru blast blogg as "blaming a whole community is not good and we should wait till the investigation results come and blame only real culprits and their supporters...etc" and then you jumped in their and posted verse of Koran that asks to kill for the cause of Allah...you only mentioned that verse..not its context.so what was your intention their?? any "skewed logic" for diverting those guys attention from being sensible and creating hatred in their heart too? and here you are preaching me to look forward to future? where as you yourself is doing all efforts to burn the future by creating more hatred. You remined me of Hyna..which waits while two animals fight.then whichever dies or weakens eats it.
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by Sam on Jul 26, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
you need to hate moguls more than us, because it was your ancestors that were tortured and hence you guys converted.
Don't listen to the 'direct decendents of arab' crap, its not true, it does not apply to you.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
The Indian muslims are suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome" (Pl search web if you do not the meaning of this Phrase).
Muslims from the Indian sub-continent (India, Pak and Bengladesh) are not treated as equals by the Arabs but they delude themselves in the name of some imaginary "Ummah"!
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
Non muslims ( paritcularly Indian ) are suffering from Islamophobia....and internet access to many resources ( fake as well as real ) of information has created characters like JGN who have lived all their life and now have nothing to do but to surf internet and FART their half cooked half adopted views about religion, history and terms like "stockholm.." these guys talk about any time of history from 1st century to 19th century as if they were present there all the time and witnessed everything and interviewed every person. Somehow they are trying to find out a new self respect in "rewriting" the history by painting muslims and Islam as danger and cult and thus averting from accepting facts of their and their ancestors failure.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 08:20 PM Permalink
@reformer, people have made mistakes and they accept their mistakes, but people like you think that sharia is the law for all eternity, it cannot be changed, it is for the whole world, if you agree that sharia is not applicable today, and only for 7th century, then we have no problem, but the taliban etc do not think so, they want literal interpretation
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
Vivek, who told you Sharia applies to Indian people? this again shows how you people are fade wrong data and brain washed.. anyways..here I will tell you again, sharia has three types..one where there is complete Islamic rule...second where muslims are living under some other nations rule but having all religious freedom ( like India ) and third is where muslims are living under oppression and fear ( like was the case with muslims of Spain till the end of 20th century ) So who told you we want sharia in India? Why there is no sharia in pakistan and turkey?" If Taliban misinterpreted it and using it in a wrong way then its their fault..they are facing troubles as a result of that..so condemn them...use freedom of expression and condemn them..who is stopping you...but why you are corelating it to whole of the muslims around the world and telling Islam is bad? this is devilish on your part. Besides you have all the time and knowledge about talibaan and their problems but you dont want to see around you and what BJP government is doing to minorities in Gujrat...what happened to "accepting mistakes...giving justice to people" you will immediatly mention " what about kashmiri hindus and their plight" so thus by childishly playing "once to one" you people try to get rid of responsibility and ivolve in baseless, hate debate. Let there be justice for the victims of every bomb blast...kashmiri hindus...but justice should there also be for other minorities..the people who acc
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
Conted,
Let there be justice for the victims of every bomb blast...kashmiri hindus...but justice should there also be for other minorities..the people who accepted their crimes in open day light ( tehelka sting operation ) should also be brought to justice...the kashmiri people should be given a chance for refrendum to select what they want...the police, Inteligence angencies CBI, ATS should be honest in their investigation to find out the real culprits of each bomb blast with " real concrete evidence" and whoever is the culprit and anyone who even slighly supported him should be publicly hanged..do you gurantee that? no...you will steal your eyes and blame it on "POLITICIANS"? find out the root cause of every problem before blindly accusing each other and spreading more hatred among peoples.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
We all can see what is Islam the world around day in and day out. There is no need of any elaboration.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 08:18 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>here itself your liar nature is exposed..........when you do not have a proper answer you start calling names! Grat culture!!!! True follower of the "most merciful creator"!!!!
I am also saying the same thing. The Quran and the teachings of Muhammed was meant for the people of 7th century Arabia. don't try to emulate that in 21st century and don't try to impose that on others also.
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by Reformer on Jul 26, 2008 08:09 PM Permalink
Again...judging books by their followers and not by their teachings??? so dear JGN..here you will again mention the verses of koran like "kill kaafir wherever you find them" etc and few terms like " jiziya', "darul-harab", "dhimi" etc etc and then try to judge them in present world circumstances. though many Islamic shcolars have clearly explained about these verses and where they apply and exposed such websites with filthy accusations. these terms and laws were formed in arab...where it was total Islamic rule as muslims were in power then..that time of the history was not like today..there was no democracy anywhere...there were no laws for war prisoners as after geneva convention..there was no UNO...there was women's liberation movement..there was no anti racist rules and laws....that was 7th century man...find out what this so called liberated democratic western world was doing in 7th century...infact that had bloodies civil war in america in as late as 1785...was there any islamic army there in america during civil war? Islamic armies killed red Indian in america? then how come you ppl so blindly accuse as Islam is only created violence and trouble while rest of nations and their religion were peaceful..here itself your liar nature is exposed. ...and you fools take the things of those time (7th century)and put them your microscope of present value of WORLD STANDARDS and start its autopsy....and then come out with hands on your mouth and wide eyes..how brutal it is?
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
Thee are no temples more than 300 years old anywhere in North India. All of them were demolished by the Islamic invaders. Pl read some more history before teaching others.
