ha ha ha...hey braathers dont take something from here and there. you know what critics of Quran does they take first paragraph and goes to last para.because they know the answer to first para is in the second para. its the first and last para ppl like you hears because you never happen to read the Quran..
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by Abubacker Sidiq on Jul 26, 2008 06:42 PM Permalink
The Quran is a Book revealed to people as a guide to the true path and in this Book, God commands man to adopt good morals. This morality is based upon concepts such as love, compassion, tolerance and mercy. God calls all people to Islamic morals through which compassion, mercy, peace and tolerance can be experienced all over the world.
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by on on Jul 26, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
jgn, I would say the same had i not read it. It contains so many scientific facts that i m not sure someone who lived 1400 years ago would know all that it contains without God. I mean what does a foetus look like in the mothers womb, earth is spherical like an ostrich egg n not just plain round, water barriers between salty n sweet water, water cycle..... it was impossible for someonbe to know all this on his own more than 1400 years ago. We all know this now bcos science has advanced.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:50 PM Permalink
I have read 2 versions (English translations) of The Quran and know for sure what its contents are. Tell all these things to somebody who has not read The Quran.
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by on on Jul 26, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
it also said he will be a foreigner, now haridas from rajasthan cannot be a foreigner. Prophets name is also mentioned in vedas, so haridas shouldnt be a prophet, he will have to name his son something thats is in respect to what is given in the vedas as haridas means servant of god
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
Have you read the teachings of Gautama the Buddha who lived 900 years before Muhammed? Or Kautaliya's Artha Sastra written roughtly during the same period? Or Charaka Samhiti written even before that? There were many inventions even before Muhammed was born.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
brothers ISLAM says 1,24000 prophets has been ssend to earth. that means there were/are 124000 holy books. but those were relevent in those times.now they are irrelevent. irrelevent doesn't means they are invalid now. in quran there is only reference of torah,bible and one more holy book(i forgot which was send to david). if Quran has to mention 124000 prophets names and their holy book it will be like a index book and there is no need for that.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
Mr.mohamed, pl write something of your own rather than parroting Dr. Zakir Naik. Theer is no god, and of course there are no prophets also. They all are foolish beliefs.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
so i should not believe what zakir naik says.but i should believe you?. for what reason man?.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
Yes, we all can see that "love, compassion, tolerance and mercy" the world over, day in and day out. No need of any elaboration. Proof of pudding is in eating!!!!!
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by on on Jul 26, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
see u gave some allegations and asked for answers. i gave the answers said dont believe me or anyone else, read for yourself... now u r saying why i m asking u to read it...well u have forgotten u asked me a question, duh!
and please show me one place that says about group sex... dont innovate... such things like 1 woman having 5 husbands or something or vice versa
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
1 women 5 husbands existed only in an epic (story) whereas Muhammed was a historic person who lived nearer to our time. Don't try to justify historical truth with something written in a Story.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
I am not justifying such practices. All religions have progressed to accept secular democratic countries but the Muslims are still in the time warp and dream of some "glorious Caliphate" that existed more than 1400 years back. Change witht the time or time will change you. That is the law of nature. We cannot go back to 7th centruy Arabia in a Time Machine.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:09 PM Permalink
hey JGN having more than one wife is a social reality.see dharmendra married hema malini. since hindu religion doesnot allow more than one wife he converted chnaged his name etc etc.. even there are some places in india where hindus have second wife but doesnot have legal validity..in tamilnadu they are called chinna veed(small house).
if such a social reality have a solution its good to accept right?.in ISLAM u can marry more than one but all should be treated equally.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
does your true path lead to group sex in heaven, why do not you answer this question, going on braggin about the Quran, if so we are not interested, is there anything else
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
ok Vivek can you explain me what is your concept of heaven?. i believe there is nothing like sin in heaven..am not sure how other holy books explain about heaven.
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by on on Jul 26, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
lol...if cowards got converted that means the non cowards got killed... so how did we end up having a large population at the end if the majority were non cowards? Muslims are still only 12 % of population Read the world history, u will find that arab from middle east didnt invade india, they came to india for business n some settled down here.
Afghans had invaded india but they invaded it for ruling as a territory, not for plundering
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
then where did ghazni and ghori originate from
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
you only wants to establish ISLAM is tied to violence.yes man there are ppl who believe lies.
who said the so called non-cowards in your language got killed. Quran doesnot say to kill anyone simply coz he hesitate to convert. Quran says dont go to them until they comes for the knowledge(Quran). so having only 12 % muslim in India reiterates the fact that even though muslims ruled for 1000 years the Hindus lived peacefully.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
Mr.mohamed, leave that at that. We all know how the hindus lived under the Islamic rule and how the natives got converted to Islam, etc. Pl don't try to teach us history.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
Mr. mohammed, you will feel offended if I reproduce the same here. Better let us not go into the past. We cannot correct the historical wrongs. It will only create more hatred.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
i dont know what you have in your mind.maybe its just a matter of clarifying. we are not ppl of great knowledge but atleast we can understand each others pulse.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
Am terribly sorry man .. which history man...and whose history..
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
then why did Aurangzeb kill Sarmad and the ninth guru of the sikhs
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
@mohamed, as a king he was following Hindu laws, I suppose
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
Iam not here to propagate what historinas claims. maybe aurangazeb have killed the ninth guru. but has done that as a king and not as a muslim..he had done it as a king.he may have personal reasons.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:31 PM Permalink
hey Vivek if you hit me on my cheek the reaction is very obvious. but what if ppl only see that you am hitting you.the story changes.
me hitting you and you hitting me are our personal stories. but ppl will create stories saying he is a muslim thats why he hit vivek on his cheeks.his religion says not only to hit a non believer but to kill him.but nobody will ask you why you hit the poor chap to create all thie problem.;)
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 06:34 PM Permalink
maybe man u r right we are cowards..our grandfathers were Hindus who followed the Vedas.In vedas there is mention of mohamed as the kalki avatar.yes !!! we are followers of GOD's message. before ISLAM we followed vedas and as mentioned in vedas we are following the new law (or message) send by GOD.
yes are right man true men fight like men.But sorry we dont fight for ignorance we fight against ignorance.
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by rajeev gowda on Jul 26, 2008 06:47 PM Permalink
Mohamed - I pity your ignorance. You call kalki as mohamad. haha Did they teach this in your local mosque. Good you believe in kalki which is already there in the vedas who will destroy religions which induce hatred and you know which one that is. Are you fighting against ignorance? Look at all the responses and you will know how many legs are kickin the camel.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 06:58 PM Permalink
yea its hard to believe. it will take some time.but only am saying is read your holy books and i will continue reading mine.let us understand what is the message.other than just saygin somethign here and there and feeling great. anyways its just another day for us brothers...
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
hey man you are talking somethign yaar..response will be there for anythign thats not new. does that means ignorance has a upper hand?. truth is like preciou stone they are hard to get and even if you get it you should be very carefull to show it to others.
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by on on Jul 26, 2008 06:41 PM Permalink
but it says kalki will be from a dry, desert region, his fathers name will be servant of God, the last prophet had these characteristics
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:47 PM Permalink
He had many other "characteristics" also. We know that. Why are you trying to justify one adsurdity with another? Then why don't you beleive in the other 9 avatars? I think the great Aalim Dr. Zakir Naik is silent about them!!!!!!!!!
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 06:54 PM Permalink
its not to believe in avatars.its the message these avatars propagated.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 06:59 PM Permalink
you are a joker, does the quran even mention the vedas, now you will say do not follow the vedas, do not waste your jawaani like this thinking that God is going to reward you for this, do something meaningful
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
no vivek Quran doesnot says about vedas or the rest of 124000 prophets. the reason being its not a book of index. when new law comes the old laws becomes iirelevent.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:58 PM Permalink
So according to you "Krishan" was also an avatar and Bhagwad Gita was his "message" Do you beleive in that also?
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 06:44 PM Permalink
by that logic, any person born in Rajastan to a man named Haridas will become prophet, is this conclusive
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:40 PM Permalink
Mr.mohamed, there was no wireless technology in 7th Centruy Arabia for god to send any message. The Quran was the concotion of Muahmmed to motivte his followers.
When will atleast educated persons like you get rid of the outdated religious dogmas?
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
exactly you are right..we are not here to achieve anything...even every religion warns ppl to abstain from material desires.. we are doing what any holy books says...vedas, bibles, torah etc etc.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 06:20 PM Permalink
then why are you saying that yours is the only right method, try to answer the question that I have put to you above, do not run away, you are retreating
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
no Harry.. i can never says my method is right. iam saying all our methods are right. ISLAM says no to idol worhsip..10 commandments also says no idol worship, vedas says god does not have any image. see all seems to look similar. And you know what is the reality. And!!!...And!!!! if I say there should not be any idol worship.. you will ask me why am saying only my method is right!!!. its not my method dear its GOD's method which was told to me and you.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 26, 2008 06:35 PM Permalink
it looks like you have read the vedas from your confidence, vedas talk about indra, agni, vayu, what are these
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by on on Jul 26, 2008 06:24 PM Permalink
read the complete quran with translation and footnotes for yourself in the language u know well, dont go by what mohamed is saying.
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by JGN on Jul 26, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
Mr. mohamed, I do not beleive in the dogmas of any religion nor in any god. I beleive in the principles of neo-humanism.
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by mohamed on Jul 26, 2008 06:39 PM Permalink
yes JGN you speak of modration. when you hear of killing first thing that comes to your mind is muslims..its been marketed that way..i dont know how these came till this way that only ISLAM propagates bloodshed. there seems to be a lot to know what is happening in the back ground.
