I do not think Karat ever went through the classes conducted by Government for MPs. There are three constitutional posts on import i.e. the President of India, Vice president of India and the Speaker of Lok Sabha other than CEC etc... All these three positions are filled by the members of parliament. Most of the times candidates belong to different political parties. Which means the candidate nominated by a political party normally will be a primary member of that particular party. Once the elected candidate assumes office, he/she does not belong to any political party and is expected to act with out a bias.
Somnath has been expelled from the party as he refuded to obey the diktat of HIS Highness Shri Karat. Karat seems to have not learnt even the first chapter that the Speaker belongs to no political party. Karat may have his own reasons but I have a very simple question to him and I request readers to pose this question to him if some one really gets to Karat. My question is:
What should the President of India, Ms.Pratibha Patil and Vice President Mr.Hamid Ansari (who is also the Chairman of Rajya Sabha) should if in the next elections Congress/UPA does not come in power. I am posing this question as both President and Vice President belonged to Congress before they assumes offices. As per HIS Highness Karat's philosophy they both should resign if Congress/UPA does not come in power in next elections.
Mr.Karat wake up and learn basics of parliamentary systems or else
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by udayakumar on Jul 25, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
This is bullshit question. What about sivaraj patil and Manohar joshi? They are in active politics even now. But you cant see an ex-president or vice-president. Somnath continued to be a party member even after becoming speaker. That means, he paid the monthly levy as per the constitution of the party. As long as he continued as a member, he is to abide by party rules. Party is above individuals.
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by K.R on Jul 25, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
But nation is above parties and the speaker holds one of the very important posts of the country....
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by siddhartha srivastava on Jul 25, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
I pity on you Uday. My question relates to President and Vice President WHO ARE IN OFFICE. Shivraj Patil and Manohar Joshi resumed their political activities only after the were no more `in office'. Its for the individual to decide to carry on with political activities after he/she vacates the office as has been done by Shivraj Patil etc.. Even our ex-president Narayanan attended Congress meetings after his term expired as President.
Please please please do not comment just for the sake of commenting.
Do you have the answer to my question?? What should the President and the Vice President do if any other political party comes in power.
My humble request to you is to first understand a comment before you ridicule any one.
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by udayakumar on Jul 25, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
President and vice-president are normally not MPs and they never vote in a trust motion. Your question is irrelevant. They cant be equated with speaker. Speaker can vote in a trust motion in case of tie(means they still have the power of the MP). Moreover, the party has given a ticket for him to the MP. He continues to be the member of the party. So party has every right to decide... Others can keep shut..
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by udayakumar on Jul 25, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
Moreover left never tried to manipulate his office. Just asked him to resign and join the bandwagon..
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by siddhartha srivastava on Jul 25, 2008 03:16 PM Permalink
I suggest you study some more. You have yourself said that Speaker can vote in case of a tie. What do you understand by this?? It means that its a constitutional requirement for the speaker to vote in case of a tie not a right of the Speaker as a member of parliament. Its good that you raised this. The fact that the Speaker can vote only as a judge or in case of a tie differentiate him from other MPs.
As regards ticket. let me tell you that it is the political party which fields a candidate for President or Vice President or the Speaker. Which in turn means that the party gives a `ticket' to that particular person to contest for the post of a President or Vice President or the Speaker.
Please learn a bit more. No, no need. You can learn a lot here as well. Just go through comments on your reply to my comments.
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by siddhartha srivastava on Jul 25, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
Uday you seem to be worshiping Karat. Can you reach him? If yes, please pose this question to him first and let us all know his views.
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by Ajikumar Achary on Jul 25, 2008 04:28 PM Permalink
dear sidharth, pl. don't try teach mr. udhay, this is what our PM, for these years trying to make understand about nuclear deal to these cummies. still they don't know what is the profit of the deal. this is because they are brain washed by their party.so they can't think above party.
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by Deb Basu on Jul 25, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
AM glad you did not say party constitution is above Indian constitution. BTW - I hope you know that is what one of your revered politburo member Biman Bose said while justifying Somnath Chatterjee's expulsion.
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by nihichsu on Jul 26, 2008 05:02 AM Permalink
The simple answer is that if Congress party asks Mrs. Pratibha Patil or Mr. Hamid Ansari to resign after Congress losses the next election - they should resign as Indian Politics is based on Party system from UK and not like the US - Presidential system. In India, the party can ask a member to resign because the member got elected to the august body of parliament on that Party's Ticket and not as an individual. Mr. Somnath Chatterjee was first an MP elected on the Left Party's ticket after which he became speaker - therefore if the Party asks him to resign he has to resign and if he does not he can be expelled from the party.
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by udayakumar on Jul 26, 2008 07:53 AM Permalink
Equating the speaker post to President post is real bullshit. Only naive people will do it. Can you show me single example where the ex-president is an active politician or an MP? Somnath chatterjee is a party member still. So he is bound by the party rules. He has been removed only from party for defying party directive. He can very well continue as speaker. If you go to UK, what you are saying is right. As soon as one becomes speaker he has to resign from the party. it is not the case here. If a president or vice-president resigns, he/she will not become an MP of the party to vote. here it is so.. So dont compare. Both are diametrically different offices, different constitutional provisions.. Sidhardh, please read or at least consult with some one before airing irrelevant comparisions.
