Wahaj Faridy, you calim that you are a pious muslim but you have no qualm is abusing others calling them "Rightwing LIARS" etc!!!! Is this the culture you are talking about?
Have you seen me using abusive words for any one? Even if you do not agree with the other person's views, you can alwyas refute the same in a civilized way.
This type of double standard and the followers of semitic religions ridiculing our native culture really irrittes me. You have no right to adopt a "holier than thou" attitude.
RE:RE:@ Wahaj Faridy
by masu on Jul 24, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Dear JGN If you remember last time i posted my comment on rediff i appreciated your views among others and the reason was that you were writing in a good manner no doubt you possess the ethics of writing but i guess you mistook him anyway if still it hurt you i am sorry on behalf of WAHAJ Good luck
RE:@ Wahaj Faridy
by JGN on Jul 24, 2008 07:10 PM Permalink
Mr.Wahaj Faridy, there are any number of History books available on the subject. I cannot reproduce the same nor provide irrefutable proof here due to paucity of time and space.
Why are you trying to justify the Islamic rulers just because they bear some muslim name? I am not blaming the muslims in present day India for the same. At the same time there is no need for you to justify that also.
And you or any one abusing me does not make any difference to me as I know what I have written is 100% true. I am not a person who blindly hates any muslim or the follower of any religion as I beleive in the principles of neo-humanism (of course I question the dogmas of all religions and superstitions but don't consider as hatred for the followers of that religion).
If there are any number of History books to prove your point (..that Muslim Rulers converted by force, or discriminated Hindus) then you shuld come handy with BEST of the References.
In my life I have been investigating on such references. This is my finding:
1. Either they do not exist outside Rightwing Propaganda Sites
2. They are circlar references (a siting b as refernce, while b sites a as reference)
3. They have been badly distorted out of context (example Auangzeb dealing with Panjab rebellion by Sikhs).
So my opinion based on research is that communal masaala available on Rightwing Propagandists Websites is just a Bunch of LIES aimed at spreading hatred against Islam
RE:@ Wahaj Faridy
by JGN on Jul 24, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
You are again resorting to unsubstantiated claims. Do you think the book published by a University does not contain facts? I will reproduce the releveant portion another time.
There was even forced conversion in 1921 in Malabar consequent to the Khilafat Movement and even a Caliphatte (consisting of 3 and half talukas and lasting four and half months) was established in Kerala (around the present day Malappuram). The Calipha was one Ali Musssaliar and his Prime Minister was one Varikkunnath Ahmed Haji. While Ali Mussaliar was hanged at Coimbatore prison, Ahmed Haji was short dead by the Britishers.
Rest assured I do not have any hatred for the muslims and will not post false messages. What ever I have written are ture to be best of my knowledge.
There could have been some incidences of Forced Conversion at local levels. I do not dispute that. Just like Forced "Nas-Bandee" of emergency time.
Some officials of Aurangzeb might have tried to build numbers...some armymen of Mughals might have killed many Hindus only for their faith. Such evil things unfortunately happen in this world.
But as matter of principle, you must restrict discussion to Islam, and not Muslim kings.
If Forced conversion is permitted in Islam, Prophet and his immediate Followers must have done it Most, as they had reached high level of power and control.
Why you fail to give examples from that part of history, if you have any.
That would be far far more convincing than actions of any criminal King
