1. It presumes Congress and a lot of people who support N-Deal are either idiots or traitors, who are hell bent on trading away India's security.
2. It tells that we are signing an NPT by signing nuclear deal, where as Argument only shows how it'd be equal to signing CTBT (not NPT). NPT prohibits all nations (except 5) from having a military use of Nuclear technology. This apparently isn't the case with this deal.
3. CTBT is a good deal to sign in any case! The idea of a Nuclear weapon is that it is a threat. It is ridiculous to keep thinking we'll need more and more sophisticated ones is not understanding the nature of that weapon. It is the threat of a strike back that works as a deterent, not the sophistication. Even the crudest Atomic weapon can do that job. Besides most modern weapon testing is computerised simulations anyway. 123agreement allows us to get all dual use technology. Once the technology barrior is gone, we can get sumulation technology from countries like France/Russia.
So, what this article argues just doesn't make whole lot of sense.
Whatever the Author assumes about N-Deal Supporters, It is the Onus of those people to Prove Otherwise.
SOPhistication of Weapons is Required for Three things. One, COST CUTTING in the Use & Maintanence of Nuclear Weapons. Two, Making the Weapon More Secure in Both Handling and Delivery. Three, Making the Bomb So that It Hits and Destroys on the Reqd Target and Not Kill All the Unneccessary People. So That, The Users of the Bomb doesn't create unnecessary enemies in the Future.
Senseless Supports of the Deal are Speaking as if USA will just keep mum after the Deal is Signed. USA Shall keep pressurising more and more after the Deal is Done. The Potential Risks are the One to be Comtemplated Carefully in Advance.
Indian history has lot of Traitors. And It is the Duty of ALL patriotic Indians to believe that the Way the Deal is being Pushed by the Minority Govt Lead by a Rajya Sabha MP supported by a Foreigner Who (Honey) Trapped iin 1968 a male from the PM's Family - of India which was getting Closer to Testing its First Atom Bomb in Late Sixties.
RE:RE:Flawed thinking.
by Harsha K on Jul 18, 2008 06:49 PM Permalink
You are for sophisticating a technology that if used can't be controlled. The only usage of which was some 50 odd years ago, and the results were so horrible that it is unlikely that a sane govt. will ever use it again.
So, the only reason to have a deterrence is to make sure insane states like China or Pakistan don't attack us with nuclear weapons. Having a proven weapon and a proven delivery method is sufficient to keep them at bay.
Besides, it underestimates the strength of India to think that it can be armtwisted just because a deal is signed!
You know what - worst case situation is that an investment of close to $100billion would go down the drain.
While that's a lot of money, it isn't a lot for a nation like India, if it wants to do it. It will in no way ruin us, the way people make it out to be.
RE:Flawed thinking.
by Dheeraj Nagpal on Jul 18, 2008 06:23 PM Permalink
Some comments Harsha on what you are saying.
1. It presumes Congress and a lot of people who support N-Deal are either idiots or traitors - This is truth, not a presumption.
2. It tells that we are signing an NPT by signing nuclear deal, where as Argument only shows how it'd be equal to signing CTBT - It doesn't say equal. It just gives the extent to which it will be difficult to do further test.
3. Once the technology barrior is gone, we can get sumulation technology from countries like France/Russia. - In your dreams. I haven't read anywhere that India gets access to sophisticated computers and supercomputers after signing this treaty (something needed for simulations).
RE:Flawed thinking.
by Harsha K on Jul 18, 2008 06:43 PM Permalink
Dheeraj,
That's very presumptive. Some of our best scientists, Our ex-President have come in support of this deal. To call them idiots or traitors is to presume only one view can be right in the world.
I am not saying there isn't a case against the Nuclear deal, but then we are no close to being accepted as a Nuclear Weapons nation and NPT won't be amended. This is the best alternative.
And it is a falsehood that's spread by many that you need to keep testing nuclear weapons to be sure it works. It is science, and if you have the weapon that worked in 5 tests that we have done till date, no reason why it won't all of a sudden not work.
And besides, only Idiots & traitors seem to be thinking about the futility of actually wanting to go on a nuclear war!!
RE:Flawed thinking.
by Dheeraj Nagpal on Jul 20, 2008 11:24 AM Permalink
Really, I don't see anywhere any scientist supporting the deal except for the "Ex-President" and don't give me this statement that he is the best scientist.
He could be definitely the most famoust one in India but definitely not the best. And for every one like him, there are 10 in India who would recommend against the deal.
As far as traitors or idiots are concerned, just read statements from Govinda (one of the Congress MP). Others have refrained from saying anything else you will hear similiar level of intelligence from them too. I never was against nuclear deal till 3 days ago when I actually started reading this statements from our "Intelligent" MPs.
Third, again you are limiting your myopic view to the same 5 tests that India did. No-where will those tests brings India into the level of Nuclear capability of other nuclear powers. Not in terms of weapons but even in terms of capability to develop those weapons. I don't drive a car, neither do I need to but I keep a license. This is also the same logic albeit at a higher level of stakes which makes it even more important that we don't lose the right to tests untill we are sure that we can develop our nuclear capability without any tests.
For your last statement, remember you need not be an "Idiot" to go to a nuclear war. You just need another "Idiot" to start it. But maybe this thought is too difficult to be understood by our "INTELLIGENT" brains.
