I find the article full of prejudices starting from very first line. In each and every election, a community gets divided and that is the true color of democracy. This is natural process of election.
Like author, some Indians and Indian Americans insist that the Democrats are a lot better for India than Republicans. This is a myth. Either of them have national interest first (there is nothing wrong in having so) but going back to recent history: - Only trade senctions slapped on India in past 25 year was in 1998 (when Democrats were ruling) after the nuclear tests - Clinton administration have sold maximum arms to Pakistan in history - India-US trade has flourished three fold after George Bush took charge. A stark contrast - Clinton kept on pushing CTBT and NPT while Bush has scrapped that plan and has offered Nuclear Deal - State of NJ (a democratic governer) was the first that banned outsourcing service for government bodies. - In past Hillary Clinton and Obama have uttered that they are against outsourcing - Bunch of Democrats simply hates India: Barbara Crossette, Madeleine Albright, and Christina Rocca and Robin Raphel are all democrats. To cut short, check their history and doings to India.
So dear Indian Americans, I do not have any dislikes for Obama but please do not just vote for Democrats thinking that they are good for India, in general. It is completely the opposite.
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 PM Permalink
Are you a Patel really?:)) Just curious. Reeva Ben :)) We need Change!!!..Outsourcing is not the long term viable solution long term.You know thats its just for cost redcution affecting Indian Professionals settled here in the IT industry. There are no sanctions for India now. India is a great country & will be self suffcient. India will rise with its own power. US is still soft towards some countries in Indias neighbour where Obama will take stiff action and hit them hard. This is change. No one is forcing anyone to vote for a paricular candidate. But if you follow the facts you will know whats right and whats wrong. One last point stark contrast is state of the economy now compared to last eight years. If you can fill up my gas tank, I would really appreciate it :))
RE:Full of prejudices
by Reeva Patel on Jul 15, 2008 12:13 AM Permalink
Ebguy -World has became flat and business has gone global and outsourcing is here to stay. Its not matter who suffers, it is where there is scale of economy. Its not only America that suffers, Indian manufacturing sector, for example, is facing tougher challenges from the Chinese. My posting is complete India centric and crux of that is ‘Democrats are good for India’ is a prejudice. And to your point, Obama has no control over what gets bid for Oil futures. If you cannot fill your gas tank, no one will. Sorry, pal you need to survive on your own. Obama will not help you as you have pointed out in case of India.
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 15, 2008 12:52 AM Permalink
I do not need any help from you to fill up my gas tank.If you see Smiley face..I hope you get the point. One cannot ignore Oil prices. Time will only tell if outsourcing is here to stay long term. May be we can check back in few years if its helpful to India. Countries like Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, South Korea were the hubs of manufacturing (cheap) in 80's, you know where they are now in terms of their economies. One cannot ignore the fact that Americans are suffering & Economy is the issue number one. There is something wrong if 80% of the poulation thinks country is going in wrong direction. Lets assume Democrats may not be good for India. We live here and we should give some thoughts to Indians living here in the United States & how the economy is affecting them. As I mentioned before, India is the largest Democracy in the world and it will find ways strengthen itself. India has a population of a Billion people and it can manufacture and supply to people at home. Its other countries who need access to Indian markets. But tell me one thing are you seriously Reeva Patel??:)) Ben We need change!!!!
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by Reeva Patel on Jul 15, 2008 01:34 AM Permalink
Do you think pains for US economy will be addressed by Obama better than McCain? May be or may not be but that's not where I am going. I am pointing to a stereotype about ‘Democrats for India’ (and you have one more of your own about ‘Patel’ and ‘Female’ but that's your own to deal with ). The population you want me to ‘assume’ is rather small (about 1% of US Population) verses what I am pointing (17% of World). And exactly that is the difference in our perspective. Now apply dose of your own medicine to yourself and think – if a largest democracy can find ways to strengthen itself, why can’t a largest economy strengthen by itself? Does it really need Obama or McCain? Can write more on that but that would be a ‘tangent’ to the discussion here. Finally going to your example to Asian countries you have incorrect analogy. South Korea has transformed itself to one of the economic powers. In other countries you have listed, the manufacturers are not local companies but western businesses and that is THE difference between India-Korea and Philippines-Thailand. Good Luck with your ‘audacity of hopes’ with Obama.
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 15, 2008 02:13 AM Permalink
So can you please remove my stereo typical doubts about you and tell me once for all who you are or you are who you are? Yes there is a difference between your thoughts and my as I just gave you examples. You try to fix whats broken here and then go around talking about global perspective. Largest economy cannot strengthen itself IF IT'S THE LARGEST EXPORTER OF JOBS IN THE WORLD. Just Google for South Korean Economy and you will get the facts. Western companies you mention were from the Largest economy of the world. And my point is those companies can close their businesses and move somewhere else just as they are doing here and BPO businesses in India. If you are real American you should always keep your hopes alive. I am not saying whether one candidate is good or bad. You said does it need Mccain or Obama ...IT Needs CHANGE as old ways are not working.
RE:RE:Full of prejudices
by Reeva Patel on Jul 15, 2008 03:45 AM Permalink
LOL ebguy LOL... Did you Google South Korean economy before writing here? Not sure what you undertood from there :-) To make things easy, just check wikipedia. Information there is not challenging to process.
Again, I am not about fixing things in US. As I told repeatedly - my interest is to think about India. Is it too difficult for you to understand such simple thing OR is it because you are from Pandu/Ganpat clan that cannot expect a female outsmarting male :-) You are egomaniac. Aren't you?
If exporter of job in world cannot strengthen, how can you expect democracy that is run partially by thugs to prosper?
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 15, 2008 05:26 AM Permalink
ROFL..So I made you read about South Korean Economy..I am from the land of Daksaben and Popatbhai :)..Egomaniac..Hunnn..What? :)Ok ..What am I going to get if you defeat me or I defeat you? Although you are not about fixing things in US, I am for fixing things in India as well as USA...Anyway enough of this now..
RE:Full of prejudices
by Shahid Kachwala on Jul 15, 2008 03:25 AM Permalink
abe ebguy - you are not understanding what ms. patel is saying. You are taking it to different page of your imaginary world. are you writing for just sake of it as you seem to be running out of logic. But, I am agree with you on one thing - Go Obama...
RE:Full of prejudices
by Nandakumar Chandran on Jul 19, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
what is good for indian americans is not necessarily what is good for india. that's the key issue which would be understood. for indian americans the democrats might be the right choice. but for india the republicans are the better choice.
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by Nandakumar Chandran on Jul 19, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
also most indians are professional/prosperous and do not need welfare or lenient immigration policies that the illegal immigrants do. so even in that count i do not think that the traditional immigrant appeal of democrats applies to the NRI. in contrast the pro-industry republicans present way better opportunities in the advancement both professional and immigrant status.
