Congress has done a good thing by going for the nuclear agreement even though it is a bit risky for the party in the coming polls. You need to have a vision to lead a huge nation like ours which is as big as a continent. You need that so called "paradigm shift" in thinking. The country is badly in need of fuel and power. We have thorium only and to develop nuclear reactors which can use thorium (we have plenty of it) at least it may need another two decades and may be more. So if USA is ready to supply the required uranium and also spare parts for our nuclear reactors whenever necessary , under certain conditions then take the uranium. You do need electricity after all. All that talk of India losing its sovereignity is sheer nonsense,humbug. Nobody can control India. India can not lean on anyother country. If it leans on any country even that country will also collapse. Consider Mr.Manmohan Singh as a matured ,intelligent man,well read and also a well known economist. He is far better than these people called Prakash Karat or Sitaram Echury.
These communists also opposed computerisation tooth and nail when Rajive Gandhi talked about NIC and super computers. They even opposed computerisation of railways, bringing computers under OGL and tax sops for the industry etc., I think the nation can repose faith in Manmohan singh's decision to go ahead with nuclear accord. The coming US president in their next election may not support as much as Bush do.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 13, 2008 10:53 AM Permalink
- Even BJP opposed computerisation and telecom revolution when Rajiv Gandhi introduced them.
Even those days, BJP "trivialised the whole issue and brought it to the street level, the way they have done to Nuclear Deal these days.
BJP's statement those day:
"How can we have Computers in the land of Mahatma Gandhi. India should stick to Cottage Industry ?"
Yes. You are right. BJP's great visionary Prime Ministerial Candidate's public statements.
And just few years down the line, when we had computer and telecom revolution brought great boom to the country, BJP claimed the credit for large number of "internet connections" in the country.
BJP issued full page advertisement declaring, that BJP has got more internet connections in 5 years than what Congress could achieve in 50 years.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by VENURAJA Bowenpalle on Jul 13, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
Very well said , Prabhat Mohanty. I am aware that BJP opposed the computer industry and free sops for computer software.
That is why some political parties are very good as an opposition party rather than as a ruling party. People with a vision are very rare. Communists always oppose all that is progressive and it may be because they need poverty to continue.(So their parties have relevance !!) YOu can observe what is happening to TATA's nano car factory in Singur,West Bengal. How can you think that Mamatha Benergi is all interested in creating employment for the poor , encouraging industry in her state etc., She organised the burning of an effigy of Tata's. During India's china war , Communists and Marxists of India, openly gave slogans in support of China, they wrote poems in Magazines , extolling the virtues of China,praising and encouraging to occupy our motherland. Such is their interest in the country called India and the poor people of India.
How can you trust Communists and believe that what they are telling about Nuclear deal as true? The danger from China claiming entire Arunachal Pradesh,Nagaland and parts of Assam as theirs is looming large. You need to fuel and power to take the country ahead.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 13, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
- I wish I were a young man and aware of these facts those days!
I must have been a kid.
Though I like many people who are involved in communist parties for their general intellect and commitment; I will work against communist just for one reason that they welcomed China during our war with china.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by VENURAJA Bowenpalle on Jul 13, 2008 12:27 PM Permalink
Yes,communists wrote slogans on the walls encouraging China to occupy!! according to the news papers of those days. I was shocked to read some magazines from archives of city central library, in which the poets of marxist ,communist party wrote poems extolling the praises of China and encouraging them occupy the lands of India!! It was somewhat unbelivable for a genaration of ours. How can they be that much stupid? When the army was ordered to withdraw in only one secotor in Assam, the advancing Chinese army killed the poor BRO labour !! who were unarmed ,civilians and still at their work in emergency. Such was the collousnes of Indian Communist parties? They should have apolozized for their anti-national behaviour during India's China war. BJP was no good either. While the cargil war was raging on, they put an order for USA for coffins!! as if they can not be manufactured in India. DRDL informed in writing that the bullets for Bofors guns were ready(indegenously developed) and yet they put an order to the Bofors company!! They sent foregin minister along with terrorists to Kandhar while Homeminister ADVANI in his recent book claimed that he has no knowledge that foreign minister was taking away the terrorists !! Mohammed bin Tuglaq has been coming alive thousand times in India's ruling elite but remember Tuglaq was highly intelligent and much ahead of his time, and the fault was his officers who could not implement his ideas in a proper manner.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by kitttigadu on Jul 13, 2008 12:44 PM Permalink
First of all the Bofors gun doesnot fire "bullets". It fires shells - 155 mm shells. Secondly DRDL is a DRDO lab. It is not in the business of manufacturing shells. Sure it might design shells, but nobody takes a design that has not been corroborated, suddenly creates a new assembly line, and thrusts this new design suddenly into a battlefield. Any sensible goverment will try to buy the shells from a trusted source as its first option. Secondly, I have heard plenty of times about this so called "coffin scam", but have seen no evidence, in the form of either charge sheets or prosecution by the present government. Sure congress supporters use it as a good propaganda tool, but that is about it.
Agree with your point on communists. They are despicable rascals. But the congress took their support for 4.5 years. Were the communists angels all this while ?? Happily they make a convenient scapegoat for the congress now. Don't they ?? Just blame their miserable rule for 4.5 years on the communists
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by oziyana on Jul 13, 2008 12:52 PM Permalink
chup be congressi, you are only talking what congreesing are dolling to the public and taking the same at face value. please go and check the quality of coffin vis a vis price, you will get the answer, further coffin were required in view of Kargil war. My this view is based on a discussion with one of my relative posted in Indian Army.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by VENURAJA Bowenpalle on Jul 13, 2008 01:15 PM Permalink
I have quoted what CAG has in its report to the parliament pointed out. I remember there were all 11 points and all of them concerning the money spent during the cargil war. The auditing watch dog of the government treasury mentioned that the shells as you may call were ready for use , and was informed by DRDL in writing that they were even tested by them for use. The howtizer gun( I do not know why it has not been called "cannon") is 155mm and about 1200 of them were purchased from Sweden by the then Rajiv Gandhi's government on the recommendations of a panel of army officers headed by Genral Sunderji. The CAG report was never fully answered by Vajpayee govt. either in public or in parliament. George Fernadez only said that he was totally unaware, totally ignorant of the fact that an order was kept to USA for coffins. About Bofors bullets(shells) BJP maintained a complete silence, never instituted any enquiery.
Remember the Kargil war, if not for Bofors gun which fires the bullet for 25 km and explodes a few inches before it hits the target, the casualties on Indian side could have been very heavy. Rajiv gandhi was hounded inside and out of parliament for this same Bofors deal.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by kitttigadu on Jul 13, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
I am sorry If I have not made myself clear. I repeat the DRDL is not in the business of making weapons. They are in the busness of designing and creating working weapons. Once the DRDL has finished its work, the army conducts extensive trials in the field and has to approve purchase of these weapons. Once this is done the OFB takes over sets up manufacturing lines, and starts production. There is no way the government can buy an essentially untested product, on the strength of some assurance by the DRDL, and send soldiers to the battlefield with these. To give you an example, the Akash missile is being tested for the past 20 years, and I know of atleast three user (Airforce) trials that have been done on it. Only now has the airforce committed to buy it. You might also know that the petty Sonia government foisted a case on George Fernandes for allowing the Navy to buy the Barak missile in 2000, and not giving much credence to the DRDO claim that it will have the Akash on time. We now know that the Akash is finally ready only now.
The CAG is essentially a bean counter. His job is to go through the records and point out to the goverment where money could have been saved. He does not have a holistic view of things, and certainly has no clue on how the Army and DRDO conduct their affairs.
RE:Congress and Nuclear deal
by kitttigadu on Jul 13, 2008 11:10 AM Permalink
Well you are a liar. The BJP mentioned phone connections, not internet connections. Why don't you refer to the fact that the BJP built more roads in 5 years than the congress built in 50 years, or will build in the next 50 years, if left to its own devices
