The present congress party claims historical existance from 1885 when it was founded by FOUR gentle men -Allan Octavian Hume, William Wedderburn, Dadabhai Naoroji and Dinshaw Wacha (as per wikipedia). This clearly shows that the reason for birth of congress is these FOUR fathers. So it is natural to show atleast four characters. When the short man from Bengal explains to India that they will go to IAEA only after trust vote, another fellow was busy packing the draft in covers to be send to IAEA, when yet another fellow was flying and conducting press meeting in the air-craft to explain the growth pattern of his retarded baby, when another lady picking up phone calls from 'sowrn enemies' to lolipop her bootlickers bunch of jokers.
It not the question of for or against the nuclear deal. All of us know that we need power. Nuclear Power, when safely generated, is the best means as it will not deplete natural resources. However, it is the clandestin way in which the Grand Old Party of India has conducted this excercise is the matter of concern. Even when the IAEA makes it clear that the draft is no secret our GOP wants it to keep the same under the turban.
What the GOP's logic of not taking into confidence the lagest single party in the DEMOCRATIC India & the oppositation coailation on this crucial matter concerning India' future.
None of these beggers will be alive when the effect of this (good or bad) deal actually start to show-up
RE:Tale of many fathers
by Activist on Jul 10, 2008 11:04 AM Permalink
Let history be history. Lets talk about the deal. Why are you so sure whats reported by a newspaper is true? India havent signed the NPT. This deal is more of an acceptance of India's stand. The world powers are ready to give india a special status as a nuclear power. Why should we miss the oppurtunity? Blame the silly politics in the country for all this hungama. And as you said, lets find out whether the deal was good or bad later, if we are alive. decisions will be proved right or wrong only in due time. but decisions has to be taken.
I repeat, the deal may or may not be good. I do not know.
Now, tell me how are you saying the deal is good. In any case, as per the PM, the possible operative part of the deal,the agreement with IAEA in a 'confidential' document. Some clauses can be there what could be sensitive. IAEA themselves are not claiming as sensitive. Only the congress. This is raising the suspicion.
To SI - Not even a single deal. But what is its relevance in evaluating my views wrt the topic.
RE:Tale of many fathers
by SI on Jul 10, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
Varier,The relevance is that international treaties are prerogatives of the ruling govt. The deals are not always placed before public. Same with the deals with IMF, Worldbank, etc. Now, the deal is in public domain, published in rediff too. Happy?
I am not for publishing these documents in web-sites or new papers before it is put to practice.
Look at it in this way - A set of people who helped you for almost 4 years are agrevied on only this point. One argument can be that the draft may contain clauses that are benificial to India and if these are publically debated, will give chance for removal.
The congress chose to risk the gov and went ahead. What pressing need to that extent of serving ties with the people who proped their minority gov for 4 years. The communists are also responsible parlamentarians.
I am not supporting communist. I am only commenting on the modus operandi
RE:RE:Tale of many fathers
by SI on Jul 10, 2008 11:41 AM Permalink
The Congress compromised a lot for the Left, pulled back a lot of things including privatisation of airports and such. But there comes to a point where the party with the largest members has to assert its control. The Left have been enjoying power without responsibility, and it had to end. Prana told them that they can get the full text of agreement if they join the govt.
RE:RE:Tale of many fathers
by Activist on Jul 10, 2008 11:44 AM Permalink
those set of people openly stated that the they will not support the deal as "it is offensive to china's interests"
RE:Tale of many fathers
by SI on Jul 10, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
Is it the duty of govt to prove its majority every time it signs a deal? Let the opposition table a no-confidence motion if they think govt lost majority.
RE:Tale of many fathers
by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 11:52 AM Permalink
SI:
Of course it is not the duty of the govt to prove it's majority... silly me, I thought we were in a democracy.. but since Congress is at the helm of affairs, how could I make that assumption?.. :-)
RE:Tale of many fathers
by Activist on Jul 10, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
Varier, i too havent claimed the deal is good. i too, like you, said i dnt knw what the end result will be. lets wait and watch. what am i telling is that, when you look at the larger picture it seems that this deal will do more good to india than bad. It is giving India acceptance into the Nuclear group of countires without signing NPT. I feel this deal is more of a vindication of India's nuclear policies. The govt had made the 123 agreed text public and now they have made the IAEA text public. Lets go through those. We all seem to be more worried about what will happen when we conduct a nuclear test again than the fact that our existing nuclear plants are facing shortage of uranium. If the deal materialises, we will be in a position to buy uranium from the NSG countries.
Whether we do nuclear test or not, in the comming years, no country can attack another country with a nuclear bomb. So the only consolance of conducting nuclear tests are that it will be a technology demonstrator & deterent.
Then once any country supplies uranium, it will be practically difficult for it to take it back & stop fuel supplies.
The next bad thing that will happen now is that we will abandon our research programme oh thorium etc.. as most of the scientists are un-happy
RE:Tale of many fathers
by Activist on Jul 10, 2008 11:53 AM Permalink
it seems we are making the same points. i completely agree with the first two points.
regarding the fast breeder research, this deal doesnt ask for it to be stopped. we have started it and achieved what we have without any international assistance. its upto India to continue to it.. and i hope we do.
RE:RE:Tale of many fathers
by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 11:13 AM Permalink
I'm sure you are pipping to go ... but have you thought about the pound of flesh?.. :-)
RE:Tale of many fathers
by SI on Jul 10, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
So you are not against the deal? Only worried about Congress being formed by 4 people?How many other international deals have you seen before it was signed?
RE:Tale of many fathers
by SI on Jul 10, 2008 11:17 AM Permalink
I couldn't find any questions in his post! Did you find any? International treaties are prerogatives of the governments. India has not approached IAEA formally yet. Can't you see these things?
RE:Tale of many fathers
by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
:-) I din't think you'd find any questions given your IQ... the same way Pranab and co. are deflecting everything that comes their way.. :-)
RE:Tale of many fathers
by Dipak Bose on Jul 10, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
You do not know any history. The First president of the Congress Party was Umesh Chandra Banerjee. Important leaders were Surendranath Banerjee, Ghosh, Bipin Pal, not those rubbish from Bombay. Dadabhai Nawrozi was in London then, he was a British MP for the Liberal Party, nothing to do with the Congress.
