It seems that N-deal is synonymous with 'National Interest' which may not actually be true! Clearly US savvy media and US savvy Indians want this message to take over any other independent thoughts, but still quesions do not die down. Questions-
1. With most optimistic assumption, India can have only 9% of its total power requirement from N-power by 2020! 2. Nuclear power is not actually a replacement for Oil or natural gas because this cannot run vehicles or factory machines which presumably constitutes the major part of India's oil import. 3. This power might also be expensive. 4. India will have to invest a huge amount of money for buying muclear reactors and other weapons from US (TOI, 26th June, 3165613.cms). 5. As a result India's FBR research using thorium (India has 24% of world reserve) is hampered. 6. Major scientists are against it (P.K. Iyengar, former chairman of Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), A. Gopalakrishnan, former head of Atomic Energy Regulatory Board, and A.N. Prasad, former director of Bhabha Atomic Research Center (BARC)).
So, even ignoring political points, just scientifically it cannot really be established that this deal is so much for 'NATIONAL INTEREST'!
I am a shameful bong commie etc. etc... but questions still remain!!! Isn't it?
RE:Isn't it?
by Rational Thoughts on Jul 07, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
6. Major scientists are against it (P.K. Iyengar, former chairman of Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), A. Gopalakrishnan, former head of Atomic Energy Regulatory Board, and A.N. Prasad, former director of Bhabha Atomic Research Center (BARC)). >>Are these more brilliant or more well known than APJ Kalaam???Also...did u eva checked their background...and how rational they are???
So, even ignoring political points, just scientifically it cannot really be established that this deal is so much for 'NATIONAL INTEREST'! >>Well,it always go by wht u think is NATIONAL INTREST..if u think blaming america is NATIONAL INTREST...ofcourse u get a mass to support...but consider these facts...their r lots n lots of Inidans who have made a living due to these western countries...so called our historic alliances like RUSSIA & CHINA...how many Indians work their...what do they contribute to Indian economy...go look 4 figures u will b surprised..
Also one more simple statement....WHEN WAS INDIA's FOREIGN POLICY INDEPENDENT??? Was it always swaying to socialist or leftist side??? Did't we always ran behind RUSSIA??Did't we ran back behind china till they back stabbed us???Have you read Nehrus notes on china's incrusion to India...he used the term...they backstabbed me...Come to realities Sir...think..rationally...'am not urging you 2 support ny 1...but think rationally...thts all i ask for.
RE:Isn't it?
by Sugata Ray on Jul 07, 2008 05:47 PM Permalink
I am sorry to say that credibility of APJ Kalam is more than any others again doesn't appear a logical point. I am from academic fraternity and I know about his scientific achievements from the people of my institute (IISc, Bangalore). So, I don't certainly believe that his is the most credible voice. At the most his opinion can be taken at the same footing as the others that I mentioned.
You are right. Todays world order allows lot of Indians to work abroad and earn a lot of money. But, please remember that still this number constitutes a meagre 1% while the industrial and neo-liberal policies of these Western countries did havoc on commom Indians(please check facts in UN human development reports, report by Swaminathan et al. and many other available) in last 20 years. So, difficult to say that whether India should be truly grateful to them or not. Clearly, their aim is not to help India but to protect their own interest. So, when these two matches, some Indians gain, but where they don't, a lot of Indian suffers.
Aligning with Russia, USA or China is not the question. Every country observes only their interest and that's natural. Our job is to see which alignment helps us the most. Unfortunately, the history doesn't speak too well for USA which is by far the most brutal among all these in last 100 years. So, I will always take it with a pinch (actually a very big pinch) of salt.
So, I just return your comment. Think rationally and honestly..
RE:Isn't it?
by madhuri dixit on Jul 07, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
Ms Ray, You may be blind supporter of CPM_CPI but let me know why 03 days More.........
RE:Isn't it?
by Rational Thoughts on Jul 07, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
1. With most optimistic assumption, India can have only 9% of its total power requirement from N-power by 2020! >>So,what do you say...leave out tht 9% which will plunge a quarter of India without power..OR depend on those blood sucking arabs for oil...OR depend on PAK for pipeline from Iran??
2. Nuclear power is not actually a replacement for Oil or natural gas because this cannot run vehicles or factory machines which presumably constitutes the major part of India's oil import. >>Again...you say depend on ARABs and swing to their dances of raising petrol prices...u find inflation...and u scream..but eva thought whts the real reason of this historic inflation???
3.This power might also be expensive. >>Wht do u suggest...so leave out 9%???Can u remain 30 minutes at your home without electricity???
4. India will have to invest a huge amount of money for buying muclear reactors and other weapons from US (TOI, 26th June, 3165613.cms). >>So r we spending on roads..modernizing military...so what do u suggest...since this is costly dont go 4 it..so is crude oil...so can the Govt decide not 2 go 4 it???Also..u knw whts the biggest problem India is gonna face now...India is gonna isolated among world nations cos of environment pollution..hav u eva heard of clean fuel???
5.As a result India's FBR research using thorium (India has 24% of world reserve) is hampered. >>So wht??u dnt hav oil 2...so wht do we do??do we cry or do we import it??
RE:Isn't it?
by Sugata Ray on Jul 07, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
1. No, I don't suggest leaving out 9%, I just suggest to have a rational check of what we get and what we lose by this. Also, it is apparent that with 9% dependence, it is not going to stop us to look towards OPEC nations for oil. 2. Same arguement goes here also. Our dependence doesn't reduce even to a moderate extent. The main point is that this N-deal has become synonymous to 'NATIONAL INTEREST' and 'PATRIOTISM' which doesn't appear logical because it hardly solves our power problems in long run while it forces us to chose a clear political alignment (this is exactly what this N-deal serves, I guess). 3. In a country where 77% (83.6 crore) people live below Rs. 20 per day, an increase of Rs. 2 per unit of power eventually means excluding the general population from this wonderful 'DEVELOPMENT'. 4. Every normal person checks whether his/her expenditure is really worth or not. So, billion dollar investment for 9% power and that also not for common people doesn't appear a good deal. 5. This you got completely wrong. N-power still can be very useful in many ways. But, common logic says that it would be meaningful to invest for FBR research, mining of U and especially Th, which can make India self-sufficient in this front, instead of investigating to US companies. Again a simple investor's logic.
Lastly, I am not a CPI(M) supporter but just cannot see what this deal brings to us other than making US a political ally of India.
