everyday Sunni kills 20-30 shias in Tribal Pak/Afgan, everyday a new mass grave iether of shia or of sunni in Iraq/Iran...sameer is this what u r fighting for, christian don't kill christians like that, Buddhist don't do, Hindus don't do...why Islam ???
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by Faisal on Jul 07, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
other religions don't congratulate me for what I just ask....please try to find a solution rather than hate mongering on eact other.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 06:50 PM Permalink
you are the solution, faisal, we do not mind if people become atheists like you, congrats once again,
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 06:49 PM Permalink
Wondering if islam is such a bad religion, with so many flaws:
Why are so many members on this forum are bent upon defaming islam and muslims?
Why so much of time and energy is spent on trying to subdue islam that is supposed to die its own death, due its inherent weakness?
Why is islam 1400 years plus old and growing, the last major one to come and none since?
Why Muahmmed said he is the last messenger, truly there has been none after him?
Why holy Quran remains the same, letter to letter, even after 1400 years? Is it divine protection as promised?
Why is islam accepted by the billions?
Why is that Mohammed is rated as most influential person in history of mankind?
Why are the developed nations and superpowers are fighting a poor, hungry, ill equiped, rag tag militias? What keeps these poor wretvched fellows going against the mighty superpowers? 20 years of war is still on.
Why is that even after 7 years of carpet bombings, the western powers are unable to control Iraq and Afghanistan, except for Green Zone and Kabul?
Why is the civilization clash is between western and islam, when islam is at its weakest point. The clash should have been between western and Asian
Why is muslim womens modest dress code ridiculed, why not the nuns dress or for that matter the modest Indian womens dress code of sari.
Why is that the western hegemony and imperialism imposed?
Why is that the 1.25 millions lost Iraqi lives is known as collateral dam
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by JGN on Jul 07, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
Pl search for The Skeptics Annotated Bible to get category-wise verses like Absurdities, Contradictions, Hatred, Good-stuff, etc from The Bible, The Quran and the Book of Mormon. Pl read them and understand for yourself. As a believer you might not have noticed them.
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
Why is muslim womens modest dress code ridiculed, why not the nuns dress or for that matter the modest Indian womens dress code of sari. ANSWER: This is because Nuns anad Indian women are not forced to wear their dresses. But Muslim women simply don't have choice
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Why is islam 1400 years plus old and growing, the last major one to come and none since?
ANSWER- Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. One such lie often repeated is “Islam is the fastest growing religion”.
Despite the fact that Muslims by virtue of being poor and uneducated are much more reproductive than others, Islam as a religion is not growing but dying fast. The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Ahmad Al Qataani أحمد القطعاني An important Islamic cleric who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity."
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
was it not officialy told by Pope, read the recent news. I am not pulling rabbits, just google
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
There are more converted muslims to christianity then we had originally thought, but they may just remain quiet for the sake of their personal safety and family. If Muslim converts to Christianity have to hide their conversion, how could they be counted?
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
you are double talking, foregt about muslim countries, why muslims exist in west where freedom of choice is unlimited. Islam is fastest growing in US the well of democracy
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by mumbai on Jul 07, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
dont believe the lies. believe the truth. some questions i just want to know from you. three building of world trade center were demolished on 9/11. Do you know who broght them down? Weapons of mass destruction was blamed for Iraq invasion. can you confirm whether it is true? if you have sense you may ask one question every hour 667 muslims converting to christianithy. if it is correct there shoud be 5336 muslims should have converted per day (taken 8 hours working day) then per year 1947640 muslims should have been converted. how many year is this going on? do you have any reason for this. refer the quoute of hitler
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by Mind Clear on Jul 07, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
Organized religion is organized madness. Things will go on as usual. All these talk is time waste. The basic difference between Islam and other religions is that the 'State' does not legalize fundamentalism. For all other religions the State mandates, One-Law, Uniform Civil Code & Gender Equality. Christians, Jews, Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus have the same value system in the 21st century; All of them have modernized. They all believe in One-Law, Gender Equality, Uniform Civil Code, Freedom, Democracy and "True" secularism. What matters in life is the intensity of our work and inner fulfillment. Neither archaic religion, nor pseudo modernity can save humanity. People who will continue to succeed, are one's who will cultivate talent, knowledge, action in themselves and in others and seek equality in laws, principles and values. Rest is all waste of time and energy. Every developed country in the world is secular and excel in life, work, sports, performance and productivity. Islam is stuck in its own rut living and spreading misery. Those who have free oil and US support survive, rest are all into terrorism and blackmail for survival. There are two failed systems - Islam & Communism and are not compatible with Peace & Democracy, till now no Islamic nation can sustain a democracy.
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
India is the largest democracy, why India is lagging behind. Do not benchmark human freedom, development,achiements with standards set by corrupt souls. Do not mock religion and spiritualism and compare with man made political systems. Man is imperfect, a learner. The created cannot become Creator.
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by JGN on Jul 07, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>India contributed more than 25% of world GDP during mughals.............from where on earth are you getting such data? Who has kept the statistics of that period? You are copying and pasting from some site like that of Dr. Zakir Naik!!!!!!!!!! Do you even know which areas in present day India were under the Mughal rule?
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by JGN on Jul 07, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>India is the largest democracy, why India is lagging behind................our Country was under alien occupation till about 60 years back. The Colonzers were not interested in the well being of Indian but in amassing as much wealth as possible and transfer to their country. The real progress in India started after the economic liberalization of the early 1990s.
Not only political system, but the so-called holy books are also created by humanbeings. I am quite clear from a unbiased reading of The Quran that it was the concoction of Muhammed to motivate his followers - with all those rewards in Paradise or cruel punishemnts in hell etc.
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by Mind Clear on Jul 07, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
People who are little wise read science fiction, one's who are not so wise blabber spiritual fiction. The most corrupt and mediocre countries of the world today are the Islamic countries. NEW YORK: India has been ranked a lowly 74, two steps down since last year, among 180 countries of the world on the worldwide Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI), prepared by independent international agency Transparency International. However, corruption is much higher in Pakistan which occupies 140th place, a little below Iran, Libya and Nepal which are ranked 133, 134 and 135 respectively. Meanwhile, China which was ranked a joint 72 with India in 2007, slided a step down to occupy a place above its neighbour this year. Among other Asian countries, Russia is placed still lower on 145, while Sri Lanka occupies the 96th position and Maldives is ranked 90. B'desh was beyond computation. Those who have free oil and US support survive, rest are all into terrorism and blackmail for survival. There are two failed systems - Islam & Communism and are not compatible with Peace & Democracy, till now no Islamic nation can sustain a democracy.
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by mumbai on Jul 07, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
the message is about afghanistan so send all the corrupt to afghanistan. that is the right place for them
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
Why is that Mohammed is rated as most influential person in history of mankind? ANSWER - world doesn't think that way. It's only muslims who consider that way. It is Bill Gates, who is most influencial perosn in the world today. Literally most people groups in the world use Microsoft.
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:17 PM Permalink
published in America titled "The 100," or the Top One hundred, or the Greatest Hundred in History" Micheal Hart
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
why does apostasy carry the death penalty in Islam, that means you are insecure about your religion
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
see that means you have accepted defeat in one area, now you should be knowing when you are boasting about the numbers why islam carries the death penalty, ok, so you do not know the answer to one question, does not matthter, the next question, on what basis you are saying that Muhammad was a Prophet and only Islam is truth, and all others are false
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
death penalty comes with conditions, apostasy with conditions. Islamic law by itself is a study, which i am unaware of. the experts could answer go islamonline dot com
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 08:09 PM Permalink
@vivek, if it makes you feel better, yes accept defeat, but i cannot spread falsehood, I cannot talk of something which i am not aware of nor have details.
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
Probably what was for Americans too. Not for the majority of the world (india & China - 60% of world population). we don't think Muhammad was the most Influencial perosn. As an Indian mahatma Gandhiji is the most innfluencial person (for Indians). For Chinese it may be Mao Tse-Tung. BUT DEFINITELY NOT MUHAMMED.
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
read the book, even mahatma gandhi is rated, there is a criteria for selection. Anything in support os islam automatically rubbish why this double standard, are we scared of something or is it just hatred
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 07:31 PM Permalink
naturally, tell us why apostasy carries the death penalty in Islam and we will tell you why we are scared
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
When has Mr. Micheal Hart become the leader in world affairs. Probably Mr. Micheal Hart and Muslime feel that way. Not everybody thinks in that way. See this forum for expample. How many have said good about Muhammed. Only fewe Muslims. But literally everyother perosn, Christians and Hindus don't think Muhammed was right. Many feel that Muhammed was probably the reason for all the Islamic activities in the world today
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:42 PM Permalink
Muhammed for 13 years preached only one sentence, No god but Allah, and in 13 years how many followers only 70, the whole of arabia was against him. What was the end result?
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
...no amount of defamation will change facts. put up as many websites with wrong information, bring in spies and hypocrites, nothing will stand up to truth, nothing will stand up to Islam
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
What is so special about that. Even Jesus preached for only 3 years and had only 12 disciples. Today Christians (including catholics and Protestants) and more than muslims.
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by Truth on Jul 07, 2008 08:06 PM Permalink
Mr. lakubo, don't beat around the bush. You haven't answered the question. You are now trying to change the question. we are not talking if Jesus was prophet or not We are talking about the speciality of Muhammed. What has hae done that others didn't do? may it be christian, Hindu, Jews or Budhist. So whu boost about Muhammed. Just answer this question.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 08:11 PM Permalink
@truth, do not waste your time over lakubo, he is a no good debater, he has been paid to advertise for islam, keeps repeating the same jingle, islam is great, islam is invincible, islam is truth, that is all he knows he is a tape record
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by JGN on Jul 07, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Some rubbish written by some white-skinned person is not "gospel truth". What was the context in which he wrote his study? What parameters were considered? Just saying that "Top One hundred, or the Greatest Hundred in History" does not make any sense to a learned person. You can only mislead the gullible with such argument.
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by JGN on Jul 07, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>truly the hearts are sealed.............yes Mr. lakubo, Allah has sealed the hearts of the non-beleiers. So don't argue with these kafirs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
anything for islam becomes rubbish, great open minded knowledge seekers, arent we the dumb deaf and blind. truly the hearts are sealed
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by deleted on Jul 07, 2008 06:55 PM Permalink
"Why Muahmmed said he is the last messenger, truly there has been none after him?" Wrong Lakubo. There have been Messengers after him-Baba Nanak(Sikhism) and Bahullah (Bahaii)
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
so according to you, only numbers decide theh truth of a religion, it would be such a wonderful thing if you could give just one good reason why Muhammad was authentic
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
@lakubo, what is this falsehood, that you are talking of which only Islam possesses and nothing else, why do not you be a little bit clear, let us all know
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
@lakubo, have you questioned your faith, before calling others impostors, can you give a good reason for calling Muhammad the last Prophet, if so give us that reason, people who do not question their own faith have no moral authority to ask other people to question their faith
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
the truth will always prevail, it might be weask but never perish, falsehood will perish for sure. islam is weak due to majority of muslims being not strong in faith, but there will arise groups of muslims who will uphold the truth The truuth will prevail Islam will overcome falsehood.
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
Vivek, its a matter of questioning the very religion, belief taught by parents. Its matter of questioning your creation. Blind belief will fail. start questioning your belief and other belifs in good faith
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 08:09 PM Permalink
@lakubo, you are just running away, forget it, you have not answered even 1 question properly, and yet you keep repeating like a tape record islam is great, islam is invincible, cannot give one justification for your belief, enough, if you have anything substantial meet me at the top, I will not scroll again and again down here to discuss with an avoider like you
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 08:01 PM Permalink
@ vivek, do you think i should also mock at others by picking out of context and posting, its not for me, dont you think it is just time pass, commenting on things which one is not ware of in detail - the other day someone posted verse 45 from aranya kandam
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 07, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
@lakubo, don't worry, we pagans do these things before challenging anybody, we do not believe after full research that Muhammad had even one quality worth a prophet, if you feel the contrary you are free to place the facts before us, otherwise we feel your post is an empty boastful
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by lakubo on Jul 07, 2008 07:38 PM Permalink
vivek, thats it, thats what i am saying. do the questioning, study, check, verify, travel if required, you will find peace. No point in accepting my fathers belief.
