What is meant by lower caste? What is low in them. They have same rights as anyone else... they can go anywhere... work anywhere.. studying anything they want.
People always like to move fwd and lead a better quality life. But people here fight to be called backward and want reservations. It just goes to show that these people are lazy and do not have courage to face the competitive world.
RE:What is lower caste
by Demo-crazy on Jan 11, 2008 12:15 AM Permalink
It is only in India that being "Backward" is considered a big plus. More and more communities are muscling their way into the backward communitiy definitions - Gujjars, Meenas, etc in Rajasthan.
We must do away with ALL reservation based on CASTE. Reservation MUST be given on ECONOMIC CRITERIA only, irrespective of caste or religion. Also, there shall be NO reservation for jobs, once a student avails the benefit of reservation in Education. This will ensure the students will have to strive hard to qualify in their exams.
Once a person avails of reservation benefit, his children should not avail of it, because the family is 'economically uplifted'. This will ensure that the needy will get the benefit and we keep shrinking the basket of reservation and encourage merit across all sections.
Even otherwise, the current craze or pressures to have more communities in reservation category have probably introduced some kind of ranking (based on merit economic criteria) amongst the reserve categories.
RE:What is lower caste
by sivasubramanian on Apr 10, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Demo Crazy, You guys try to understand the difference between OBC and SC/ST.SC/ST resrvation is exisiting in constitution as Dr.Ambadkar,Was the part of that comittee and he got for his people.But the OBC are the people who are in the equal ecconomic status like SC/ST and are not given the resrvation in job/Studies. To this OBC the government have the scholarship to complete the study.After that they go to the job market there thrown out by the other caste in neopotism/Favouritism.I am one who was affected by the neopptism of Brahymins. Now,i thank the muslim arab because if they are not generous,i might have been living in the mental torture without job/without house/money. Now i am 18 years in gulf,i am well placed than any of the IAS/IIT/Governer even in a capacity of money.But still i don't think it is easy to get a respectable position/Job for my children.
RE:What is lower caste
by Rupakshi on Jan 11, 2008 01:57 AM Permalink
I was called high caste. When I was working in India, I never came home before 8 pm. so was the case thousands classified as higher caste I used to know. If your statement is correct, if low caste is working hard, give them reservations so that they become hight caste and need not work-good logic.
RE:What is lower caste
by Kumar on Jan 11, 2008 06:09 AM Permalink
Have you seen a laborer women do back breaking work with her child tier to her back with her Sari? How many upper caste women work? Does your upper caste grandmother and mother works? How many upper caste people do lowely paid backbreaking work only to return to a shanty during the night, eat rice with salt and onion, go back to sleep empty stomach on a hard floor and mosquito infested place and then get back to work where the evil contractors cheat them. These laborer guys still have ethics and will not steal but do back breaking subsidized labor for you guys. Their children don't even get full stomach meal and their parents cannot even take sick leave and paid leave from work to look after themselves and the kids when they are sick. India is truly great. Indians are truly compassionate. Australians are racists but Indians are not. Hypocrites, Indians that is!
RE:What is lower caste
by Demo-crazy on Jan 11, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
There are poor people in every caste / religion. Just because you do not know does not mean they do not exist.
My point was specifically about reaching the people you mention through the reservation. Unfortunately, what we see is that those who have reaped its benefits are continuing to exploit it, while others (those you mention) are still struggling. The 'backward' political class continues to exploit them while resisting the definition of the "CREAMY" layer. So, what should be done to help those who really need to be helped by these policies?
RE:What is lower caste
by Kumar on Jan 12, 2008 02:57 AM Permalink
Yes, for every 98 poor people from lower caste there are 2 poor people from upper caste. That's why caste based reservations make so much sense ! But if it's possible the creamy layer should be excluded from reservations.
