RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
Engineers,Doctors etc etc,,, That doesnt justify that your religion is the true one,,,, Arright i admit that Hindus are better in education in some fields, However we dismiss your fake religion and continue to improve our social life by adopting our true religion only,,,,
RE:RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
How come all humans wl accept only one book, written by some mortal like us who lived on this earth 1400 years back. He was a leader and wanted followers. But his ideas were limited to what he saw around him at that time...
RE:RE:RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
First of all, we would remind you that in this world man passes through great tests and trials, which require him to be patient and steadfast, and to stand firm until death.
RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:19 PM Permalink
Now what happened, after he dies there was power struggle as everybody wanted followers. But there was no leader so ppl got divided in ...unnis...hias.. Rabs..N.rabs.. etc. If there was direct msg from almighty.. then why there was this factions. He could hv kept everybody together.
RE:RE:RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
great india wish the media would come and talk to the ordinary muslim people instead of ignoring us. We are the positivity of islam, but they would rather jump on any incidents (small or big) caused by muslims and sensationalise it and go on and on about it. The big positive is that it has highlighted Islam and hopefully people will research to find the truth.
RE:Ok guys
by great india on Mar 01, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
thats you are saying because you know nothing or very less about hinduism.if you sincerely want to know then hinduism is not about worshiping idols and other but it stick to one thing prime most and that is "Serving Human is Serving God" and human mean not to be muslim ,hindu, or other..
hinduism is just like living in such a way to find true color of soul beyond body and mind...
RE:Ok guys
by great india on Mar 01, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
stop trying to convince someone whose religion do not allow him to get these humble and polite point seriously in mind and make a judgement by himself...
he will learn from his own experience only finaly just pray for the peace and unity of mankind on earth. and do whatever you can to make this world better place to live with peace and love.
RE:Ok guys
by Crab on Mar 01, 2008 05:13 PM Permalink
and he will admit as humans hindus are better and far more civilized. but the problem is they are not following the true religions
RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
But why u need relidion. Japanese and Koreans are way ahead than many of the western. They dont follow any religion. Why u think only religion can make a society civilised
RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
sunil shera Getting 72 Vigins are not easy job my dear,,, as you people difine for blowing,,, There are lots of hardship required for that which is lenthy discussion
RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:17 PM Permalink
Well we muslims believe in Eternal life to succeed in this world and Hereafter following a religion is complusory for us,,, Religion is a way of life and practice in order to obtain success in this world and the hereafter. Each and every religion has the same basic principles but follows different ways and methods to reach God. A religion should be based on justice, love, humanity and equal rights. A religion should satisfy human nature these things you can find from ISLAM only,,,,
RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
When i interacted with one my Korean freind. Very intelligent, hardworking, successful and respect to others. He mentioned that he does not know what is religion. As their family does not practised any religion. He works for successful firm, have nice family, meditates, reads sceintific advances etc. Now if he dies I m sure there is heaven for him.. according to our religion. Why u think he eternal life is not successful.
RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
At-least, He is not killing some innocent person. or bombing and glorying evil and death...only worshipping an idol. o.k. fine let him worship.
RE:Ok guys
by sunil shera on Mar 01, 2008 05:38 PM Permalink
IDOL WORSHIP IN HINDUISM: according to hinduism, the ultimate reward for a soul is to merge with the paramatma (God according to u) ... when u achieve that, sex with virgins, wealth , everthing becomes meaningless ...
That paramatma is defined in Hinduism to be the Holy Trinity - who takes the form of creator, preserver, destroyer - all the avatars : rama, krishna, hanuman - are incarnations of one or other form of that trinity -
so idol worship for that form is nothing but a means of connecting and concentrating with that divine One ... Idol worship is thus a form of associating sanctity with elememts of the world , like in algebra representing untangibles with symbols to make worship and concentration channelised ... its part of a metaphysical thought process to acknowledge the whole creation to be of, by and for God's ...
in Arya Samaj u can follow Rig Veda and worship with or without idols !
So understand the extreme Scientific ethos of Hinduism - its not plain paganism , its scientific
RE:Ok guys
by Crab on Mar 01, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
You are filled with hatred mr. frelancer. if somebody is worshiping an idol what is your problem, you just concentrate on yours and leave others alone. where from all there hatred come from.
RE:RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
Crab If it hurts you then dont read my comments,,, But im just trying to justify that your religion takes you to darkage and comeout from that darkness,,,,
RE:RE:RE:Ok guys
by Crab on Mar 01, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
you will not understand. you will not live peacefully and dont let others too. it is not your mistake as a person.
RE:Ok guys
by sunil shera on Mar 01, 2008 05:01 PM Permalink
AS FOR IDOLS, THEY ARE MEANS OF CONCENTRATING YOUR DEVOTION OR BHAKTI TO THE SUPREME CREATOR ... wheteher Ram, Hanuman, Krishna (all of them can be traced as incarnations of on form of the Holy Trinity - Bhagwan)
Hindu religion is most scientific : if u are a student of science read about the Grand Unification theory or Gnereal Theory of relativity - i can tell u that the crux of these theoris are explicitly written in the Vedas ... The rig veda is the most scientific book as it even predicts the speed of light 6500 years ago !
What more proof do u want? BTW, Quran says that every day sun sets in a sea after dark .. do you believe this ? if u do so, TELL ME WHO IS IN DARKNESS ?
RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
There are some weak hadith also so we dont consider them authentic,,, So that might be one of that which you are mentioning camel urine etc etc,,,,
RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
Sameer Bhagwat This is the misconcpetion you guys have Dont be bais towards it before knowing the truth,,, Read the Quran at least once in your life then you will come to know the truth,,,, FYI.....Islam has not only forbidden terror and violence, but also abhors even the slightest imposition of any idea on another human being. Allah Almighty says: (Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.) (Al-Baqarah 2: 256
RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:40 PM Permalink
sunil shera Hey man im not a scholar im just an ordinary musim of you want all the truth of scientifi miracles just read the quran in english translation you will come to know the truth instead of accusing about these things,,,,
RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 06:02 PM Permalink
Why Almighty has given this msg only 1400 yrs back. And why not at the start of civilisation itself. Is he sleeping when civilisation started on this earth...
RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
And what is that Msg.. the almighty gave.
To kill Non-beilivers... Bombblast, Belting bomb, Bringing death and destruction to non-beilivers. Bring Darkness, so that light wl come when u are in heaven. So you wl enjoy heavenly honey and 73 hoors.
RE:Ok guys
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
If that is so. Why ismalic website proclaims the other ways. Even they said 9/11 was carried out by jews and americans. Can u bielive this. And sicerely people are so blind., a curtain over their mind
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by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 01, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
If almighty has given such clear instruction of non violence then why they r not following ghandhian principals of non violence aginst any injust.
Why world over ..slamist are boming innocents, for political or other cause. Why worldover this...slam and other debate going over.
If isntruction was so clear than why ..hias and unnis.. are rioring and killing each other in .akistan
RE:Ok guys
by Frelancer on Mar 01, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
Only Quran is the devinely revealed Book,,, All are inconsistent in different versions,,, But Logically speaking, the Quran being the final message of Allah is going to be unchangeable till the Day of Judgment. For this job to be fulfilled, it has to remain the same because if, God forbids, any change occurs, there will be no point behind its being the final message of Allah.
Therefore, Almighty Allah Who knows the hearts and the nature of human beings has taken the responsibility of guarding and protecting the Qur'an from any change, so that it keeps on fulfilling its job and guiding all human beings till the Last Day. This leaves no doubt that the Qur'an we have today is the exact one that was recited fifteen hundred years ago when the Prophet was alive.
