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No way!
by Ananda Mahalingam on Feb 16, 2008 01:39 PM   Permalink | Hide replies

Yes the incidents mentioned are unfortunate, however asking to abandon identity is unacceptable. How can i abandon the caste & religion of my forefathers? No way, I am what I am and my caste is important!!!

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  RE:No way!
by waheed ali md on Feb 16, 2008 01:49 PM   Permalink
In his book .WHY CONVERSION?. Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar has shown that the real
struggle is between high caste Hindus and the Untouchables. One class against
another is doing this injustice. The high caste.s anger against the untouchables (low
caste) is very simple. Your behavior on par with them INSULTS them. The
untouchability is not a short or temporary feature, it is a permanent one. to free
yourself you must establish close relations with some other society,or join some other
religion. But until then you cannot get the strength from outside. This clearly means
you must leave your represent religion and assimilate yourselves with some other
society. If you have to get ride of this shameful condition, if you have to cleanse this
fill and make use of this precious life, there is only one way and that is to throw off
the shackles of Hindu religion and the Hindu society in which you are bound. For
annihilating castes and untouchability from among the untouchables. CHANGE of the
religion is the only antidote.
Also Dr. Ambedkar continues that to call onself a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a
Sikh is not merely a change of religion but also a change of name... Acongential idiot
alone will say that one has to adhere to one.s religion because it is that of our
ancestors. No same man will accept such a position. The Hindu society does not give
equality of treatment. Obviously, the social equality is easily achieved by conversion.
If this is true the social equali

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by Ananda Mahalingam on Feb 16, 2008 01:53 PM   Permalink
why this long discourse, tell me what benefit amedekar brought to the lower castes??? Nothing but increased misery!!!! waheedbhai you will not understand this, leave us alone

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by Sultan on Feb 16, 2008 01:50 PM   Permalink
is easily achieved by conversion.
If this is true the social equality is easily achieved by conversion. If this is true then
why should you not adopt this simple path of salvation which leads you ultimately to
equality. After giving dept thought to the problem, everybody will have to admit that
conversion is necessary to theUntouchables as self-government is to India.
Finally Dr. Ambedkar concludes conversion is the only way to enternal bliss. Nobody
should hesitate even if political rights are required to be sacrificed for this purpose.
Conversion brings no harm to the political safeguards. If you become Muslims you
will get the political rights as Muslims. If you become Christians, you will get the
political rights as Christians, if you become Sikhs, you will have your political
safeguards as Sikhs. In short, our politicalrights will accompany us. Even after 20% of
India.s population changed into other religions within a short period of time, these
Brahmins have not yet changed themselves. I tell you all very specifically, religion is
for man and man is not for religion. To get human treatment, convert yourselves.
CONVERT for getting organized.
CONVERT for becoming strong
CONVERT for securing equality
CONVERT for getting liberty
CONVERT so that your domestic life may be happy.
I consider him as LEADER who without fear or favor tells the people what is good and
what is bad for them. It is my duty to tell you, what is good for you, even if you don.t
like

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by Sultan on Feb 16, 2008 01:52 PM   Permalink
what is bad for them. It is my duty to tell you, what is good for you, even if you don.t
like it. I must do my duty. And now I have done it.
It is now for you to decide and discharge your responsibility.
(Courtesy : LOKRAJYA)
RESULTS after CONVERSION
Just look at the people after conversion. Christians improved their educational, social
and economic position very much. Whenever the Brahmin media criticizes the Pope,
Church and their Institutions, the Christians are getting more and more stronger than
the evil Community.
Muslims also have improved their social, economic arid educational standard. If they
changed the religion for GULF MONEY, they could have simply returned to their
original UNTOUCHABLE category. Can you quote just one evidence for that. It is a
challenge. I recently visited Tamilnadu all the way from Calcutta to just see a recent
mass conversion and to my great surprise these new converts are doctors, advocates,
engineers and most of them are income tax payers. When the Government and its
official branded these new coverts (educated and rich) have embraced another
religion just for the Gulf money, this false claim and lies increased their faith with
their new religion doubled. Though they were able to get their educational and
economic freedom because of the previously mentioned leaders and reformists, now
only they got the real freedom from the Brahmin slavery and domination. To day they
get rights equal to Brahmins. The only secret of thei

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by Sultan on Feb 16, 2008 01:57 PM   Permalink
OUR CHALLENGE!
Show me a Christian, Muslim, Sikh who embraced Hinduism. If they really want, which
caste of Hinduism will they embrace. Of course he cannot become a BRAHMIN.
According to Veda, he has to die for three more times. But the Brahmin will not object
if he becomes another SHUDRA.
A SELF-DEFEATING HINDU!
Recently in a Bengal University there was a debate between moderate Hindu
Professors and fanatic Hindus. The latter were prepared to give their lives to save
Brahminism. Since the brain washing process in the past! (for many generations) by
the Brahmins was an excellent one. It is not a wonder to see such people even today!
Who can stop one who wanted to put sand over his head himself! One can fool
another in the name of religion for some time but not for EVER ! The 20% of Hindus,
who have embraced Christianity and Islam to day, is the evidence of it!


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by on Feb 16, 2008 02:35 PM   Permalink
Bhai people like u didnt except Islam because of untouchability, but because you were forced to convert. And remeber it was a Hindu only who started practice against untouchability. Today no modern Hindu supports untouchability. But it is a pity that Islam yet openly degrades a women. Stop preaching against any caste and remember that our forefathers had cried when they were forced to convert to Islam. Today since you are bought up as a muslim, it is natural that you hate hindus. But remember if someone starts removing drawback of our religion 1000s will come. So just dont talk nonsense.

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by Ananda Mahalingam on Feb 16, 2008 02:02 PM   Permalink
Sultanbhai, casteism has held india together for centuries with peace, we are not wiser than our forefathers, the caste system could not eb defeated by invaders like you. The present system is failing, misery is being added to all. we need to have heirarchy to preserve socitey, this is not a new concept and has been practised in many civilizations!!! Nothing to be ashamed about it.

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