Yes the incidents mentioned are unfortunate, however asking to abandon identity is unacceptable. How can i abandon the caste & religion of my forefathers? No way, I am what I am and my caste is important!!!
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by waheed ali md on Feb 16, 2008 01:49 PM Permalink
In his book .WHY CONVERSION?. Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar has shown that the real struggle is between high caste Hindus and the Untouchables. One class against another is doing this injustice. The high caste.s anger against the untouchables (low caste) is very simple. Your behavior on par with them INSULTS them. The untouchability is not a short or temporary feature, it is a permanent one. to free yourself you must establish close relations with some other society,or join some other religion. But until then you cannot get the strength from outside. This clearly means you must leave your represent religion and assimilate yourselves with some other society. If you have to get ride of this shameful condition, if you have to cleanse this fill and make use of this precious life, there is only one way and that is to throw off the shackles of Hindu religion and the Hindu society in which you are bound. For annihilating castes and untouchability from among the untouchables. CHANGE of the religion is the only antidote. Also Dr. Ambedkar continues that to call onself a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a Sikh is not merely a change of religion but also a change of name... Acongential idiot alone will say that one has to adhere to one.s religion because it is that of our ancestors. No same man will accept such a position. The Hindu society does not give equality of treatment. Obviously, the social equality is easily achieved by conversion. If this is true the social equali
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by Ananda Mahalingam on Feb 16, 2008 01:53 PM Permalink
why this long discourse, tell me what benefit amedekar brought to the lower castes??? Nothing but increased misery!!!! waheedbhai you will not understand this, leave us alone
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by Sultan on Feb 16, 2008 01:50 PM Permalink
is easily achieved by conversion. If this is true the social equality is easily achieved by conversion. If this is true then why should you not adopt this simple path of salvation which leads you ultimately to equality. After giving dept thought to the problem, everybody will have to admit that conversion is necessary to theUntouchables as self-government is to India. Finally Dr. Ambedkar concludes conversion is the only way to enternal bliss. Nobody should hesitate even if political rights are required to be sacrificed for this purpose. Conversion brings no harm to the political safeguards. If you become Muslims you will get the political rights as Muslims. If you become Christians, you will get the political rights as Christians, if you become Sikhs, you will have your political safeguards as Sikhs. In short, our politicalrights will accompany us. Even after 20% of India.s population changed into other religions within a short period of time, these Brahmins have not yet changed themselves. I tell you all very specifically, religion is for man and man is not for religion. To get human treatment, convert yourselves. CONVERT for getting organized. CONVERT for becoming strong CONVERT for securing equality CONVERT for getting liberty CONVERT so that your domestic life may be happy. I consider him as LEADER who without fear or favor tells the people what is good and what is bad for them. It is my duty to tell you, what is good for you, even if you don.t like
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by Sultan on Feb 16, 2008 01:52 PM Permalink
what is bad for them. It is my duty to tell you, what is good for you, even if you don.t like it. I must do my duty. And now I have done it. It is now for you to decide and discharge your responsibility. (Courtesy : LOKRAJYA) RESULTS after CONVERSION Just look at the people after conversion. Christians improved their educational, social and economic position very much. Whenever the Brahmin media criticizes the Pope, Church and their Institutions, the Christians are getting more and more stronger than the evil Community. Muslims also have improved their social, economic arid educational standard. If they changed the religion for GULF MONEY, they could have simply returned to their original UNTOUCHABLE category. Can you quote just one evidence for that. It is a challenge. I recently visited Tamilnadu all the way from Calcutta to just see a recent mass conversion and to my great surprise these new converts are doctors, advocates, engineers and most of them are income tax payers. When the Government and its official branded these new coverts (educated and rich) have embraced another religion just for the Gulf money, this false claim and lies increased their faith with their new religion doubled. Though they were able to get their educational and economic freedom because of the previously mentioned leaders and reformists, now only they got the real freedom from the Brahmin slavery and domination. To day they get rights equal to Brahmins. The only secret of thei
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by Sultan on Feb 16, 2008 01:57 PM Permalink
OUR CHALLENGE! Show me a Christian, Muslim, Sikh who embraced Hinduism. If they really want, which caste of Hinduism will they embrace. Of course he cannot become a BRAHMIN. According to Veda, he has to die for three more times. But the Brahmin will not object if he becomes another SHUDRA. A SELF-DEFEATING HINDU! Recently in a Bengal University there was a debate between moderate Hindu Professors and fanatic Hindus. The latter were prepared to give their lives to save Brahminism. Since the brain washing process in the past! (for many generations) by the Brahmins was an excellent one. It is not a wonder to see such people even today! Who can stop one who wanted to put sand over his head himself! One can fool another in the name of religion for some time but not for EVER ! The 20% of Hindus, who have embraced Christianity and Islam to day, is the evidence of it!
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by on Feb 16, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
Bhai people like u didnt except Islam because of untouchability, but because you were forced to convert. And remeber it was a Hindu only who started practice against untouchability. Today no modern Hindu supports untouchability. But it is a pity that Islam yet openly degrades a women. Stop preaching against any caste and remember that our forefathers had cried when they were forced to convert to Islam. Today since you are bought up as a muslim, it is natural that you hate hindus. But remember if someone starts removing drawback of our religion 1000s will come. So just dont talk nonsense.
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by Ananda Mahalingam on Feb 16, 2008 02:02 PM Permalink
Sultanbhai, casteism has held india together for centuries with peace, we are not wiser than our forefathers, the caste system could not eb defeated by invaders like you. The present system is failing, misery is being added to all. we need to have heirarchy to preserve socitey, this is not a new concept and has been practised in many civilizations!!! Nothing to be ashamed about it.
