It is incredible that Mr. Vijay does not for a moment realize that the madness of MSN or Shivsena is the retail version of his own ideology! It is the local application of the same repelling notions which define his pet RSS idology.
Mr. Vijay admits he is a member of RSS and was brought up in its ideology, and even touts the works of Dr. KD Hedgewar, VG Savarkar et al as his ideological founts. The intolerance inherent in these writings and the sectarian poison injected into impressionable minds by the crude theories propounded in such works escape him. It is not difficult to see that the roots of these 'ideological' works lie in the now abandoned harmful social movements of the 20th century Europe. The inhuman violence and hatred that are the outcome such 'ideology' are born out of deliberately nurtured inferiority complexes and paranoia among its adherents. A social movement based on such ideas need a common 'enemy' to vent their hatred on, to grow and thrive. Inferiority complexes and paranoia are the essential ingredients for the growth strategy. The RSS and Shivsena/MNS exemplify this. The former is wholesale while the latter is retail. They pretend to be 'national, 'patriotic' etc but true patriotic Indians(thank God, the majority) know the real nature of their ideology and spurn them. To believe that one can promote the former and decry the latter is self-delusion.
RE:Incredible Blindness!
by Hooter on Feb 18, 2008 11:08 AM Permalink
Bhaumik dada,
Your position of "sitting pretty high on moral ladder" and looking others from that angle ... is in line with Commie political ideology.
RSS has done more than any other NGO has done for this country. If somebody from Majority is nationalistic, why he/she should be apologetic ?
If you are proud to be Indian, does it make you feel inferior ?
It looks like your China-loyalty gets a beating when you have to declare that you are a nationalistic ?
As long as we have Minority-appeasing political parties which divide Indians amongst caste lines, language lines and every possible diversity we have, we need to have an NGO which strengthens nationalistic ideology like RSS.
But I am still fabbles by your venom-filled post aginst RSS !!
RE:Incredible Blindness!
by Bhaumik on Feb 18, 2008 11:47 AM Permalink
Dear Hooter,
1. RSS has done nothing that outweigh the evil it has done Inida. The net is a large negative. 2. If a person (E.g. Tarun Vijay) is proud to be indian, why is he in the sectarian RSS, which is trying to divide India on religious lines? We have seen its sectarian face in practice, no theorisation can blot out that fact. 3.China-loyalty? totally irrelevant comment. That's probabl;y your stupid fixation with designated 'enemies' of the RSS. I am not a communist or anything of the sort. 4. RSS is the most minority appeasing outfit that we know of. I do not mean that they are dedicated to preserve the privileges enjoyed by a distinct minority in India, even though that may be true. What I mean is what you actually mean by appeasement.They do not even leave out the psot of president from their minority appeasing games. 5. Don't sell the fiction that RSS is not a political outfit. Violent and sectarian? Yes. But non-political? no. That is for the birds.
RE:Incredible Blindness!
by Hooter on Feb 18, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
Bhaumik,
Nobody is here to appease you for sure.
Your gatred for RSS stems from your loyalty of "psudo-secular outfits" which you don't want to name.
You have not answered my queries in my post above. Instead you have smartly gone ahead tangetially with some crap against RSS.
1) Can you tell me why one has to be apologetic for being nationaliistic ? Whats wrong with you & me being one ?
2) Why minorities in India oppose all Constitutional institutions and directives ? Look at Vande Mataram fiasco, look at Danish cartoons ... many more.
Either we have a secular fabric or not. Its either one of that. No use dilly-dally politics.
3) Congress has promoted divisive politics for last 60 years which you find acceptable.
I am no fan of BJP becoz they also lack guts when required.
4) Whats wrong RSS being NGO with political ideology ? Each individual has some political ideology.
5) RSS has served this country more than your Commie brothers & pseudo-secular Congress friendas. In all natural disasters & even in national-crisis like Kargil they lend a helping hand. They dont need to publicise it.
5) If there is some exclusivity which you are bragging about, its becoz that "your beloved community" wants to stay so.
Ghettos are created by leaving outside the social fabric by the interested community. If you like to bombed by these fanatics & your family feels secure inside one of those ghettos, then god help you.
RE:Incredible Blindness!
by Bhaumik on Feb 18, 2008 09:28 PM Permalink
Friend, I will answer you.
1. No need to be apologetic about being nationalistic. I am proud to be so, and as you say you are too. No argument there, But RSS is neither nationalistic or patriotic. It is sectarian, fundementalist, and hence anti national. 2. India is a vast many-opinioned, free country. People among the majority and the minorities oppose and support many things. I have nothing to say about such things. Disagreement is fine. Violence of the fundementalist of any hue is not fine. Incidentally, politicisation of Vande Mataram was an RSS ploy for division. 3. I do not accept any divisive politics. Why should I? 4. I do not like RSS because it is violent, preach hatred, and I find its ideology crude and anachronistic. Belief in such crude theories make one intellectually coarse and uncouth. Look at the RSS inspired websites which indulge in crude hate-speech. The extent of uncouthness, hatred, venom spewed by such sites is unimaginable. For example go to this rajeev2004.blogspot.com, and have a taste of the stuff. 5. Dividing people in the name of religion and indulging and promoting violence are huge negatives, tThey outweigh the so called good RSS does. 6. As a citizen I am an Indian, my other identities come second. I do not coflate my nationality with my religion, which is what RSS and other fundementalists do. 7. I consider RSS, Muslim Fundoos, Christian Fundoos (e,g the presentt day Falangists) fanatics. I opt out.
RE:Incredible Blindness!
by for education on Feb 22, 2008 06:04 AM Permalink
Bhaumik Dada, You conveniently left out the Chamelion Commies who sided with China during 1962 war. Commies are now secretly practising Capitalism. They grabbed land for the poor and now are snatching it away from them for money. Before criticising others look at your face in the mirror first. Commie are using educational insititutions like JNU to spew their divisive venom and you falsely implicate RSS, where the problem lies somewhere else.
RE:Incredible Blindness!
by Gautam Sinha on Feb 18, 2008 09:38 AM Permalink
Irrespective of what he may or may not have done, his point in this article is valid. The minor differentiation factors of caste, region , etc etc overshadow respect for fellow citizens of same nationality.
