Well can you please tell us is their a garanteed heaven for all christains irrespective of what they do on earth?Is hell a garenteed for all heatens like us.It is not our fault that no matter what we do how much we try to make sense,christainity cannot be understood by us many.Really GOd the mercifull is he/she going to punish us for not beleiving the christain dogmas?I have also heard from many christains that all christains wont be going to heaven and there will be a hierarcy in heaven.
Now lets say along with us even you join us in hell,then what,can we then together bargane with God.If yes well and good ,if not never mind,as it is said life is endless in hell,so we will be having lots of time.Lets say he excepts are petition and grants us heaven,then will we allow to take our loved ones from hell to heaven,then in return can our loved one take their family members and so on.
Lets say their is no concept of hell in christainity,as now a days many christains are telling,then pray from what has jesus saved us. What is the meaning of damnation and lost.
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by aceventura on Feb 13, 2008 12:22 PM Permalink
First you guys stop abusing others and get over this inferiority complex.I would always openely support the conversion of tribals or other downtrodden caste people to christianaity. Forget whether Jesus helps them or not.The church helps them and their life is getting a facelift.It is much better to be part of a global christian community than to be illtreated,enslaved and seen as a subhuman by the fellow hindus.
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by r patil on Feb 13, 2008 12:41 PM Permalink
Seen as a subhuman says who?Tribals are tribals with their own laws and rules,which hindus do not interfere in.It is government of India which has increased the literacy leave of all of us after indepence,not the british or christains.What you are trying to say is since they are poor,they should not or they have no right to practise their religion their culture they should convert.They should convert even when christains have prevented governemnt from opening schools in their strong hold,even when they are preventing hindus from openeing schools over there?Then my question is why should'nt black and all the natives be it of USA,Canada,south america,middle america and australia convert to islam both for money sake as well as belonging to the larger community of "Umma".
Aceventura i hear this enslave thing a lot when talking about tribals,can you really tell me what is the real meaning of it,since we never had slave trading under an hindu king,so i fail to understand what this slavery of tribals and dalit means.If by going of the examples of bible and christains folowers slave is such a person who is held as a property of another man,just like a livestock,where the man's wife and children can be raped legally and the whole family can be beaten to death,or split and stole seperately in the market.All these thing is not in teory nethier in practise in the hindu society.Each and every cast person was paid for the services,and the person who is working could refuse to work at
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by r patil on Feb 13, 2008 07:54 PM Permalink
Lets say casteism = slavery,Then why choose christainity for the dislike of casteism,where tribals dont even belong to any caste,they are a community group,that's it.
You should read out really slavery was,how ever the slave transported,how their families were purposely broken,their customs and language ,were forcifuly left to aboudent,when tried to free how they were publicaly lynced.
Let say cast system "untouchabilty" was bad,but then they were not the only cast,there are tons different cast.Cast in early to independence worked like trade union .A fishmen cast will not allow others to fish in the ponds or even other town fishermen to do fishing in the town. A cast of potters in my village though they have differnt prophetion now,still continue to distribute village houses in the village among themself to provide us with new mud stove during house warming cermony and each year provide us with Ganesh murti on festivals,for which we generasly pay not just the prize but new clothes,as a sign of respect.This is what cast means,this is how cast is followed,that is giving employnment oppoutinity by paying them ,not taking free servive.Where the profiting cast members distribute houses for which they are going to provide the service without a fight among themself,where they bargain collectively the servise prize.A healy society does not grow on "Charity" but on "Teamwork" by depending on each other.That's was cast is.Hindu society is not build on "SLAVERY" where a sl
