Do not think that in ancient India people were living peacefully. There were always wars, oppression based on caste, drought, diseases,etc,etc. In Tamilnadu for example chera,chola and pandya were always engaged in/prepare for war. Think how many people would have been killed/injured in wars. Masters (read brahmins) of hinduism did not allow others to get educated, did not allow others to enter temples, did not allow others to read vedas. Kings were merely puppets at their hands. In Travancore kingdom majority of the people were branded as low-castes and their women were not allowed to cover their upp@r-body. Can you believe this? But it happened. Read Indian history properly.
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by Confused Mind on Feb 06, 2008 05:02 PM Permalink
All Priests, Clerics, Gurus are fraud and basically fooling people ... They are welfare organizations ... That is why you see all developed countries in the world are 'secular' to keep these people on the fringes. Michelangelo, said, the problem with people is not that, they aim high and are not able to reach it, but that they aim low and are ale to reach it. This spirit and the Greek philosophy of science, technology, senate, republic brought a renaissance in Europe and the Western world and changed their lives forever. Common sense about exceling in life is religion. But as Voltaire said, common sense is not that common. Distortions always lead to confusion. Stagnation is culture, lack of propagation of correct ideas, leads to mental and physical corruption. But the original concepts are still correct.
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by Cape Comorin on Feb 06, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
God has given you the capacity to decide what is right and what is wrong. Apply it properly you will realize the truth. You need not depend on gurus or priests.
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by Topno on Feb 06, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
Cape Camorin, you talked about ancient. I will talk about recent times. Mahatma Gandhi was thrown by Christians, bcoz he was black. Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela were tortured by Christians, bcoz they were black. Our Bhajji was wrongly implicated by Australian christians, bcoz of racial feelings.
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by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
and if Gandhi were to be asked this question, his answer probably would be the same as mine, for what he got in return, in this land of tolerance and superior culture, which we still see to this day.
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by Confused Mind on Feb 06, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
God is nowhere, Life is now and here. Evolve and Get A Life. Excel is something and break your mediocrity.
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by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
Dear Cape Comorin, we are now in 21st centrury. Comparing India before independence and after that is like comparing apples and organges! Pl get rid of your religious dogmas!
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by Topno on Feb 06, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
Cape Camorin, you talked about ancient. I will talk about recent times. Mahatma Gandhi was thrown by Christians, bcoz he was black. Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela were tortured by Christians, bcoz they were black. Our Bhajji was wrongly implicated by Australian christians, bcoz of racial feelings.
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by Cape Comorin on Feb 06, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
FYI I am not converted. My forefathers have been christians for 200 years. And I do not think that it is a crime to convert to christianity. Hinduism is nothing but a kind of paganism wiped out in the rest of the world. I do not consider hinduism as a single religion but mixture of many religions which even contradict with each other. I dislike idol worship, myths, superstions, casteism in hinduism.
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by on Feb 06, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
Cape you have lot of knowledge about hinduism.Even hindus doesn't have about their own religion.Keep it up.Increase even more.
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by Confused Mind on Feb 06, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
Secularism & democracy are the foundations of Hinduism. Caste saved India from dark days by providing some basic purpose in life. Religion is One and should be limited to Human Character and Human Values with One Common Law encouraging people to develop their Body and Mind, Emotions and Intellect, Creativity and Consciousness. The caste is a scientific concept but has been abused and distorted by confused people. It basically means that to live life intelligently we need to effectively balance the 4-forces within - Thinker, Protector, Economist, Worker - and also while governing society. This is all based on natural human intelligence. The roots of the ancient Indian philosophy which goes by the name Hinduism is actually secular, logical and universal. The idols symbolize objectives in life: Shiva (freedom), Durga (Strength), Saraswati (Knowledge), Lakshmi (Wealth), Ganesh (Wisdom). Life is God. These Goddesses are not really goddesses per se but symbolize the objectives of the pursuit of human life. All civilized societies in the world practice this in principle as it is the natural & true meaning of 'secularism' & 'humanism' followed by all. Check out, A Religion Called 'Human', for more details. Things are simple, we complicate.
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by Confused Mind on Feb 06, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
Idols are Ideals of Life ... People are confused and Priests make business by making people worship and so do the same in all other religions as well whether you worship a cross or nothing ...
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by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 05:43 PM Permalink
@Sitaram ...
Find the difference between 'reverence' and 'worship
then you will get your answer. For your own god's sake, please do not advertise 'little knowledge' on a public forum.
With this, I need to go. I dont expect you to change the way you think, or even re-consider your understanding. If that had to happen, then we would not have these debates at all.
If you cannot respect another's religion, at least do not desecrate it. Not that you will cause it any harm, you are only defiling your religion.
