RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
How do you think about this fiction?
Once upon a time there were two brothers GB and BB, living in neighboring houses with there own families. GB was taking good care of his house. Keeping things running smoothly. Ensuring an environment where family members can live peacefully and concentrate on their own progress, enjoying life, mostly following rules and not disturbing others. The family was not rich but doing ok. The situations were not exactly ideal but not out of control too. Though there were concerns they were being acted upon and there were a few failures too. But there were many success too.
The other brother BB, was not at all taking care of his people. He being too selfish and greedy, did not mind to keep house in ruined state, He would not mind keeping his people hungry, sick. He was not concerned about their pathetic condition OR he wanted to stymie them so that he could control them fulfilling his own desires. Now lack of opportunities made people in the family to take shelter in their uncle GB's house.
RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 12:21 PM Permalink
These Up/Biharis would not dare to go to Tamilnadu or Karnataka cause they know that they would not get easy access there as Maharashtra. But is politeness of Maharashtra not the very reason for endangering Marathi culture?
As a one nation people can and should go and settle anywhere and Marathi people too are migrated to many parts of the nation, but have they not assimilated with the local culture there? Are they not speaking local languages? So why should Maharashtra not expect the same from outsiders, and if these same north indians go to Tamil nadu don't they learn Tamil there? then why don't they do in Maharashtra?
Maharashtra has always been a proud growth engine for the nation. In most difficult times Marathi people were among the first to die for India. They would never mind to share their bhakari with other Indians, but why should they do it? just because UP and Bihar are at the hands of Lalu,Mulayam and Maya? And people there are ready to fight against Maharastrians for resources in Maharashtra but not for their due rights like good governance in UP/Bihar? And it is responsibility of only Marathi people to observe restraint and maintain peace?
May be you can arrest Raj and make him silent, but it will not change the reality. You must understand and address the concerns of one peaceful, lawful and progressive cultured community - Marathi manoos.
RE:What it is all about.
by Voldemort on Feb 07, 2008 12:28 PM Permalink
Abay Amit, it wouldn't be so bad if a majority of Marathis thought the same way as you. Unfortunately for you, Marathi folks remain as broadminded as they always have been. It is a few losers who couldn't hack it in their own land who are pissed off. As for Raj, he left the Shiv Sena to strike it big, but has been reduced to being a small-time ruffian with almost no following. He had to do something, so he struck at Mumbai's underbelly, the poor north Indian taxi driver and food vendor. In the process, he made the great Maharashtrian state look like a state of petty street thugs pulling out people from taxis and thrashing them for the simple fault of being born North Indian.
RE:RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 01:52 PM Permalink
Even I am not being narrow minded. But there has to be limit to tolerance. Why don't you think Marathi culture will be lost due to politeness and broadmindedness of Marathi people? And I am like many other marathis doing good. And when we all discuss everyone is disturbed about outsider taking disadvantage of virtues of MArathi people. We won't go out and start beating anyone but will surely make a lot of noise on blogs to make dear Indians aware of our concerns. And I am no supporter of Raj, but if it seems that other parties/leaders are neglecting this, he would take our votes.
RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 12:20 PM Permalink
Everyone outside of Maharashtra is today shouting in the name of Raj Thakarey and MNS. Everyone including Rajdeep Sardesai and NDTV and Aaj Tak is blaming Marathi people for disturbing peace n harmony and busy lecturing Marathi manoos about constitution. May be going to other state for making a leaving is allowed in constitution, but it does not mean that you endanger the culture, language and sheer existence of Marathi people? Well is it not the duty of north Indian states to maintain law and order and create employment opportunities so that people don't need to migrate? Why the media is not talking about it?
On top of that these shameless leaders of UP/Bihar make provoking statements in Maharashtra in name of north Indians. If they were concerned about their people then those state would not be in this pathetic condition. Why media is not throwing light on these facts?
They conduct polls asking people if Mumbai is of Maharashtra or entire India, why don%u2019t they conduct polls asking if Chennai is of TamilNadu or entire India? Of course people will say that most people leaving in there speak Tamil, but how was that managed? Was it not violation of Indian constitution? Answer guys. Then why so much of furor over Marathi people's claim over Mumbai?
RE:What it is all about.
by abhijeet singh on Feb 07, 2008 12:43 PM Permalink
because MArathi single handedly didn't build bombay. you have gujus marwaris sindhis parsis bengalis bhiaris punjabis living here for 100 of years and they all of build it. marathi an a clan cannot stake their claim on the city. it truely belongs to every indian
RE:RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 01:42 PM Permalink
hmmm.. they could come and build Mumbai because Marathis always coopoerated with them. And we did not invite them, or they did not come to make any favor on maharashtra, they came to make money. Why did they not turn some Gandhinagar or Kolata in financial capital? You are oversmartly denying the role of Marathi people.
RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
GB's family did not mind initially as they always have been amicable and broadminded accommodating others, but slowly the situation at BB's house kept getting worse and more n more people start migrating to GB's house. Slowly they would start competing with GB's family members over the limited things at home. May it be plates n spoon, space, sofas, beds. Soon they start dictating what channels should be viewed on TV, what dialect to speak, what occasions to celebrate. They were not invited to GB's home still they would force enter. They obviously were not concerned how much they were damaging the house and entire living condition there in GB's house cause. They soon start thinking as if GB's original family members did not matter and it's their own house and not GB's family members.
To add insult to the injury, BB who was responsible for the poor state of his people started provoking them to take control of GB's house.
Well we can call GB as good brother n BB as bad brother but it was taken other way round.
When some of GB's family members started protesting it whole area started cursing GB's family members for being intolerant and disturbing harmony in the area.
Now may be you too will think GB's family members at fault, but is it the right thing?
RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 12:20 PM Permalink
May be people say that Mumbai was developed by British and gujju's were already leaving in there, Is it the same case in Pune/Nashik and many other parts of Maharashtra? then why do we see more n more outsiders there too?
People say that Marathi people send their children to English medium schools so they should not be proud of Marathi and allow others in Maharashtra, tell me if Tamil and kanada and Delhi people don't send their children to English medium schools?
Why these double standards? Why?
The longer term implications of this very clear, more and more non-Marathi people as voters. They would demand Hindi be made primary state language. They would say that no need to give holiday for Kartiki Ekadashi/Shivaji Jayanti as already there are enough holidays for Chhat-pooja and all. If people don't speak Hindi they would not be able to participate in state governance, would be forced to learn Hindi at the cost of Marathi. Well this will all be just because UP/Bihar are not acting responsibly and migrating to Maharashtra, where people have always acted responsibly and adjusted themselves to fellow Indians without complaining. Is it not a big injustice to them?
RE:What it is all about.
by S K on Feb 07, 2008 12:31 PM Permalink
see the fundamental thing wrong with your argument is that you consider maharashtra your own ... I have a few arguments against this
1. Have not marathi people left Maharashtra to other states/countries ?? do u disown them? do u not feel bad when they are harmed?
2. 'Outsider' in Mumbai should be punished if he does something wrong. Here are themseleves working towards the development of Mumbai/ Pune / other urban centers in Maharashtra. Without reason, they should not be punished. The private jobs were not all created for marathi people. If that were made clear initially, perhaps MNCs would not have set up shop there
3. What about Vidarbha ... do u agree that then it should be separated from Maharashtra ...as though Marathis are ruling over someone else's land?
Dont divide the country into smaller and smaller pieces.
I hope you understand someday. Stop being manipulated / trying to manipulate people with some emotional fundae
RE:RE:What it is all about.
by Amit on Feb 07, 2008 01:38 PM Permalink
Well SK, 1. I said Mrathis go to other state but they do get assimilate with those states. They do speak languages there and respectr the culture. 2. They are not making any favor by coming to Pune/Mumbai/Nashik. They come here to earn bread and butter, because they cannpt get even small opprtunities in UP/Bihar even though those states are resourceful, much better land than Vidarbha and water of Ganga. And tell me are they not increasing the burden on the infrastructure in the city, to a point where living conditions become pathetic? 3. What about Vidarbha in this context of language and culture? don't make irrelevent statements.
Hope YOU understand that Marathi culture is at stake due to bad government of UP/Bihar. Do you think Marathis deserve it for being amicable and polite?
And why are you not talking about those southern states which can be called epitome of intolerance?
