Sorry to Hurt u.I just want answer from JGN who is teaching us our religion.I want to discuss with him about his.. Actually I have no Right to question any faith.. But Others are doing,so i also tried.. Sorry,No Offence here..
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by JGN on Feb 04, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
Mr. Ismail, the portion you posted is from Gods, Demons and Spirits by world renowned rationalist, the late Dr. A.T. Kovoor and I have an original copy of this book in my personal library. I consider him as by Guru.
Btw if a thug can break the moon into two pieces, any thing is possible.
RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 05:25 PM Permalink
JGN,Do you Have the Right to question Any Faith? My dear,It Hurts Really.U r an Educated person.If a person likes u hurl abuses then what we can expect from Others.. Why Not live in Harmony. Why dont you Tolerate & Respect..
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by mmspm on Feb 04, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
@Ismail Sayyed
you sounding very different now. this was not ur style and pitch and language u were using just few minutes back. Every human have the right to question any faith which he finds that faith is not right. Mean time every human have the right to practive his faith without harming anybody.
U know what now what jihadis and terrorists practicing the faith and people like u supporting such faith ?
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by JGN on Feb 04, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
As an atheist, I question the superstitions in all faiths. You have seen the messages posted by an article on Rediff written by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar.
Why are we fighting in the name of non-existent gods and so-called holy books created by surrealistic visionaries? The Islamic Paradise existed only in the fertile imagination of Moahmmed. Don't blow yourself up in the hope of getting those rewards in the "life here-after" nor harm others!
Life on planet earth is the only thing known to us. Enjoy the same to the extent possible, without creating any problem for others.
RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 05:47 PM Permalink
JGN, Everyone has freedom of expression but this doesn't mean you hurl abuses at religion or try to degrade.
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 06:08 PM Permalink
If it helps in anyway, I, as a muslim would like to say that - Islam is the the only religion that made sense and worked for me. Other religions were difficult for my limited intellect to grasp. And I do not doubt the sincerity of those who follow other religions. I do not doubt that they derive spiritual benefit from it. I have seen it in sincere Hindus, Christians and Buddhists. Heck, I have also seen sincere athiests whose spirituality I do not doubt. Spirituality, for me, is about the integrity of the human being as a whole - his conscience, intentions, words and actions. I do not measure spirituality from words alone. I will also add that the greatest trails of being a muslim for me have been the attitude of muslims themselves.
I hope the above helps a little bit in creating some room in your mind to accomodate a feeble good opinion of a muslim when you encounter one in your life. At the end of all this discussion, what I pray for is that we do not harbour ill feelings by default against adherents of another faith. To me, that is of utmost importance than what one thinks of islam.
RE:RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by JGN on Feb 04, 2008 05:55 PM Permalink
Mr. Ismail Sayyed, I have been watching your message for a very long time and I know quite well how tolerant you are. So don't try to pass on blame only to others!
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by veera on Feb 04, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
@ismail even JGN has the same freedom of expression to express hhis views ..he believes ih atheism ..that fits him ....he is happy ..
if Islam fits u ,be sure that u stay as a satisfied person ..
problem arises when MUSLIMS pronounce that "only islam is true and others are false " ....
remember,every one loves their religion and will have their own ideology ..
GOD DOESN"T have RELGIONS .....
believe in humanity,love and affeftion ...u will discover GOD ....
RE:RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 06:00 PM Permalink
There is no problem in saying Islam is the best. I will say it is super best . I cant say that its best for You. I have the right to choose whats best for me.
RE:RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by JGN on Feb 04, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There is no problem in saying Islam is the best. I will say it is super best..........then somebody else have right to say "it is the worst"
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by veera on Feb 04, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
@ismail
i never took these silly fights seriously ..al my outburts are due to suffering faced by my beloved Bharat ..it is bleeding and i want a secure Bharat for my future kids .....
iam least bothered what the next fellow worship ..provided his belief doesnt inflict pain on others ..had i hurted u ,i too ask for apologies
RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by JGN on Feb 04, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, I am not against the followers of any religion. People like me question only the superstitions. If you think rationally, you will also understand the meaning of what I am saying.
Pl visit the web of "Actual Freedom - the third alternative" This is an alternative to organized religions.
Organized religion is organized madness. And make no mistake, it is easy to instigatte people in the name of religion, than anything else! That is the main reason for my opposition to the religions.
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 05:58 PM Permalink
No i will not visit as i m happy with my faith.. Brother,Dont Pretend to be Rationalist.. Tell me why u have never criticised Sangh parivaar activities.. What are your views regarding the Modi-sponsored genocide of Muslims in Gujarat in response to the Godhra carnage?
Marginalizing such a Big Community is The Root cause of Terrorism.. It is worse than anything else.. What an Irony !! Largest Number of Muslim are in India & They are subjugated to daily racial abuse.. They always have to prove their Patriotism.. Is these Not Terrorism.. My Dear,Such Heinous act will prove very costly in the near Future..
RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by JGN on Feb 04, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
Ismail Sayyed, you have seen the messages posted by me on "Lessons from Pakistan" (another discussion board on Rediff) where I have questioned the hindu faiths and the right-wing hindu parties also.
You are not able to fully grasp the meaning of my messages and that is one reason for your mis-understanding.
I do not have any quarrel with the believers. Restrict that to the four walls of your house or to respective places of worship.
RE:RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 06:12 PM Permalink
JGN,Who are you to decide on the fate on Muslims & Islam.. My Friend if you want to live in Peace, Let the other community live in Peace as well, since the Demolition of Babri Masjid, Muslims of India have been facing a lot of injustice, the list is very big. Your statements are very biased & are only meant to promote hatred in the indian community. Please Promotes Peace
RE:RE:RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Supersecualirist on Feb 04, 2008 06:46 PM Permalink
What are your fiews on Palestine problem? What are your views on Kashmir minority problem?
RE:RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
No Veera,Anyway Noone is Perfect.Nice to Hear from you in such a Manner.. According to Me,Religion & Parents should always be Respected no matter what.. These is what i m explaining to JGN,but still he is saying about our Prophet.. I dont know why he is after our As..
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 04, 2008 05:43 PM Permalink
It is disheartening to see people spewing abuses on each other's religion and one trying to prove one's religion as Holier than Thou. Dear Friends, it is a high time we do away with our parochial mindset and be sensitive towards all religions and be tolerant. This could reduce the spate of communal violence.
RE:Sorry Veera!!
by JGN on Feb 04, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
I have seen the same message posted by you earlier also. It is the duty of rationalists like me to make our fellow citizens aware of superstitions. We would be happy if alteast one person, out of hundreds reading this message board get convinced.
It was not the demolition of Babri Masjid, but the success of Islamic Revolution ( ? ) in Iran that fostered teh Islamic terrorism the world over. Now the genie is out of the bottle and it is very difficult to contain the same!!!! And if you cannot tolerace criticism for your fatih, do not ridicule other faiths also.
