I urgently ask the government to finish this deal as soon as possible and let the country focus on other important issues. Whatever the USA is saying, India should accept unconditionally, because USA is the only country which has agreed to put India out of the nuclear apartheid. We owe to USA for this. If I had been the prime minister, I would have already done whatever needed before even thinking to ask anybody else; you will never get any solution in India by asking people's opinion. Indian democracy is a flawed democracy, where muscle power and money still govern over argument and realism. So, forget all opposition. Mr. PM, the countrymen are behind you, go for the deal, you will be blessed as the most efficient prime minister.
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by kranti on Aug 08, 2008 04:48 AM Permalink
get out of the beggar mantality, its ok,if u donot dream of becoming a super power, but having beggar mentality and falling for few biscuits the US throw and staking the countrys security is more dangerous.
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by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 03:46 AM Permalink
I also support this deal but I do not support it if terms change much. I hope a lot of informed Indians think along those lines. I don't think we should agree to anything which is not good for India as India is not exactly in dire straits. This deal should benefit India but also US in some sense so should be seen as mutually beneficial thing.
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by bhoothnath on Aug 08, 2008 04:54 AM Permalink
WHEN WAS THE LAST NUCLEAR PLANT BUILT IN USA? WHEN WAS THE LAST NUCLEAR PLANT BUILT IN INDIA? HOW ADVANCED IS THE USA TECHNOLOGY IN THIS CONTEXT?
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by Jagadis Bose on Aug 08, 2008 04:32 AM Permalink
It is important to remember that it is the USA which is responsible for this nuclear apartheid in the first place. The whole structure of NPT/NSG was designed by the USA to box in India in response to the Pokhran tests. If the USA is interested in undoing the partheid, it must do so unconditionally. In any case, the corrupt Manmohan Singh government has not an iota of moral authority left. The next government (which will surely not be led by UPA) will find some way to repudiate this dubious deal, and bring back our foreign policy independence.
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by sarat babu on Aug 08, 2008 04:38 AM Permalink
Hi, you can definitely speak english but that's the end of it. your iota or rock and rolla's don't make any sense. Corrupt Manmohan singh? You are crazy. he brought india our of bankrupcy when he was a finance miniter.. wake up and look at reality. India needs electricity. Not a neuclear bomb to throw on pakistan..
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by Jagadis Bose on Aug 08, 2008 04:53 AM Permalink
Well, anyone who can flash the "victory" sign while entering the Parliament, fully aware of the filthy cash-for-vote scheme engineered by his party to survive the trust vote, and then proudly proclaim victory afterwards, is corrupt to the core in my book.
As for as his patriotism -- this is what he had to say while receiving an honorary degree in Oxford in front of his delighted British hosts --
"... India's experience with Britain had its beneficial consequences too. Our notions of the rule of law, of a Constitutional government, of a free press, of a professional civil service, of modern universities and research laboratories have all been fashioned in the crucible where an age old civilisation met the dominant Empire of the day. These are all elements which we still value and cherish. Our judiciary, our legal system, our bureaucracy and our police are all great institutions, derived from British-Indian administration and they have served the country well."
This same attitude of deference to the Gora Sahebs is driving his zeal for the nuclear deal.
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by Guest on Aug 08, 2008 05:37 AM Permalink
Tell me what was wwrong in what Manmohan singh said in Oxford. I know that British were in india for their benefit but you must also not forget their contribution to what India is : 1. English Education 2. Train transportation. 3. Law and Order, Infact we are still using most of the laws written by them. I can just go on... Infact there was no such country as united India. There were only princely states. So you can atleast thank them for uniting us and giving us indian identity. Once again I acknowledge that they ruled us harsely but remember they have contributed as well. Look what we have done to UP ,Bihar in 50 years. A state that produced Dr. Rajendra Prasad now has Papu Yadav has MP. I hope u get my view
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by Jagadis Bose on Aug 08, 2008 06:28 AM Permalink
In fact almost none of what Manmohan said at Oxford is really true. All the institutions of excellence in modern India -- IITs, IIMs, IISC, ISI, as well as various research institutes across the country such BARC, SINP, Bose Institute, TIFR etc. -- are post-independence creations which did not follow the British model. All British era universities, such as CU,BU,DU etc. are largely dyfunctional. Indian police remains wedded to a colonial British way of functioning and is another dysfunctional system. The English language is actually more of a curse than benefit. Although, it might look very advantageous for IT etc. today, the fact of the matter is that learning science in a foreign language is a great disability -- one appreciates this if one tries to teach at any level. I can go on and on.... What Manmohan Singh was implying is that modern thoughts, modern science etc. wouldn't have arrived in India if it wasn't for the British colonialism. This isn't true. Russia, China, Japan and many others absorbed Western science and thoughts on their own from its creators -- most notably the Germans and the French -- and did not need the intervention of a second rate mercantile power to convey it to them.
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by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 05:57 AM Permalink
Mr Jagadis,
MMS is not like typical politicians and he has a tendency to say what he really feels. Note here that the passage you quote was from a big speech and in the beginning of the speech, he berated British empire: " There is no doubt that our grievance against the British Empire had a sound basis. As the painstaking statistical work of the Cambridge historian Angus Maddison has shown, India's share of world income collapsed from 22.6 per cent in 1700, almost equal to Europe's share of 23.3 per cent at that time, to as low as 3.8 per cent in 1952. " While in Britain, he gave a balanced view of what a lot of people think. Point me to another speech by an Indian prime minister which pointed out above..
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by D on Aug 08, 2008 08:14 AM Permalink
Mr Jagdish
Any institution (CU,BU..) can be made dysfunctional if there is no backing from the government. I am sure the IIT's,IIM's will be made dysfunctional too in next decade or two with the interference of Political leaders .. read reservation. I am not sure why you blame the police, look at their salary level and the no of hours they have to put in at work. Again why u consider English language a curse is beyond me because even states (China,Russia) have gone on a massive drive of English education in their circullum. I remember a documentary on an african nation which was ruled by the Belgians, when they left the country there were only 13 local graduates in that country and there was complete anarchy. MMS did not say British rule was great for us but he also pointed out some of the benefits of being associated with it.
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by west on Aug 08, 2008 03:51 AM Permalink
i totally agree with what all you said. but i differ with your conclusion. My take:
a beggar has more options than any home owner. kidding
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by blue wrox on Aug 08, 2008 04:29 AM Permalink
"Indian democracy is a flawed democracy, where muscle power and money still govern over argument and realism"
This guy implies that india is run by goons and lobbies. How about america then??? Bush had 8 yrs on oil money. Goondaism is non existant because of policing.So stop implying that we are flawed and they are perfect.No system is perfect.
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by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Aug 08, 2008 04:37 AM Permalink
In USA, the law makers are well aware of the need of their country. They do not do anything to hamper the growth of the country. If you can show any incident in USA where a law maker used his own power to gain something which was detrimental to the nation, then I would withdraw my comment. In USA, people do business with ethics. That is not true in India.
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by Jagadis Bose on Aug 08, 2008 05:05 AM Permalink
"On July 29, 2008 Stevens was indicted by a federal grand jury on seven counts of falsely reporting gifts. The charges relate to renovations to his home and to more than $250,000 worth of gifts he has allegedly received from VECO Corporation."
Stevens is the senior Republican senator from Alaska.
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by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Aug 08, 2008 05:43 AM Permalink
Ok. But you said that federal grand jury indicted him. Which grand jury in Indian history indicted a law maker for making personal profit? Look, bad people are everywhere. But they get punished in USA more often than in India. That is the bottom line.
