RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by west on Aug 08, 2008 06:09 AM Permalink
MMS always maintained that there's nothing that stops India from conducting further tests if needed. MMS never said US law will supersede N-deal.
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by Jagadis Bose on Aug 08, 2008 06:58 AM Permalink
Alright MMS. Why not do a test right now and lets find out. Clearly, we do need to test again since the thermo-nuclear part of the tests of 1998 was a dud. So if there's nothing that stops us, and it is necessary to test, why not do so NOW and then the critics will shut up.
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 07:09 AM Permalink
Better idea, wait till this deal is through, import Uranium for existing plants as per IAEA preamble and then conduct the test :) What is the rush?
BTW, our scientists had said they have obtained all the data they need and there is no further need of conducting tests. Yield is disputed by west but why do you want to believe them more than Indian scientists? Conducting Nuclear test in this day and world is not a wise idea whether you have the deal or not. If you want to do saber rattling, it is a different matter. The only country to have tested weapons in this decade is North Korea and look where it stands.
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by west on Aug 08, 2008 07:07 AM Permalink
i think you are confused the nuclear tests with some household lamp testing. you cannot test the nuclear tests as and when you like. the need must justify the testing.
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by Jagadis Bose on Aug 08, 2008 07:18 AM Permalink
Look at the number of nuclear tests conducted by other countries:
US: 1054 (331 of them atmospheric) USSR: 715 France: 210 UK: 45 China: 45 India: 6
I say we are due at least 40 more tests if we are to believe in MMS "future superpower" talk. We should at least get to double digits if we are to be considered seriously in the high table where MMS wants to take us to dine.
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by west on Aug 08, 2008 07:30 AM Permalink
yeah? when were they tested? long before NSG was formed.
i don't think anyone would dare to put India to slavery like the colonial rule because anyone who thinks that way knows the end result.
let me make one thing clear - USA doesn't need India to counter balance China. Truly speaking - they give a damn about China rise because they are not in competition with China. Americans always go with win-win strategy when they make decisions. when they made decision to help out china in the 70's they already made up their mind that even if china becomes superpower they are ready to accept that.
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by Suresh T on Aug 08, 2008 08:36 AM Permalink
First let us provide food, water, shelter and education to the people, instead of wasting money exploding bombs to satisfy the false prestige of a few.
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by All Right on Aug 08, 2008 06:22 AM Permalink
West:
So you are actually agreeing with Keshav. He too is saying the same thing - "MMS never said US Law will supersede N-deal. He always lied to us and said that International law will prevail."...
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by Jo Ho on Aug 08, 2008 06:34 AM Permalink
First, let us assume that you're no idiot. Hyde act clearly does not permit nuclear tests by the non-nuclear countries. MMS says nothing stops India from N-tests. Can the 123 ensure anything really about the continuous supply of U-235 in the event of a N-test by India from NSG/any other darn legal sources? The first hurdle will be the Hyde Act itself as there'll be no exemption but by that time, we have already incurred the cost of segregation of reactors and IAEA inspectors are already in. What do you think, Mr Intelligent West?
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 06:45 AM Permalink
Does this help to satisfy your question?
* KEY PASSAGES IN PREAMBLE OF AGREEMENT
"An essential basis of India's concurrence to accept Agency safeguards ... is the conclusion of international cooperation arrangements creating the necessary conditions for India to obtain ... reliable, uninterrupted and continuous access to fuel supplies from companies in several nations, as well as support for an Indian effort to develop a strategic reserve of nuclear fuel to guard against any disruption of supply...
"India may take corrective measures to ensure uninterrupted operation of its civilian nuclear reactors in the event of disruption of foreign fuel supplies."
RE:N-deal will not supersede domestic law: US
by Jo Ho on Aug 08, 2008 07:12 AM Permalink
Isn't it writing the NPT with a different language? Or isn't it becoming a preamble of NPT? Also, we'll have 8 reactors that can be used for military purposes after the safeguards. What happens after the expiry of these? Does India retain the right to prepare more nuclear reactors for military purposes? The language of IAEA chief is pretty explicit in this regard. If India does a N-test, US categorically says that Hyde Acts remains admissible. No controversies and full stop. Why is MMS trying to fool people around? No eye washing necessary. Go and sign NPT, MMS and his Madam won the trust vote. Our next generation will have no sovereign rights. This party is used to slavery (to their royal family) and recent globalization efforts brought in new boss for them from Washington.
