You seem to have a lot of hatred for the country of your birth. Perhaps you wish that you were born as a white man in a country of "enlightened whites" ?
Did you parents never eat paan, or eat with their hands? Do you think that they followed a trash culture with nothing good in it?
India is no paradise on earth, but do you think the US, or whichever other great country you are in is?
And do you think ridiculing your own people and culture is a good way of "improving" it to meet your high standards?
But I think you do not care for improvement anyway - you seem to get a kick out of abusing Indians. To each his own.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by raj arora on Aug 08, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
mate no my folks never ate paan and no i donmt hate india at all ,in fact i always thought it was the best place to live until i went abroad and yes it is a beautiful country no doubt but its shameful the way indians treat it and then go on to say how proud they are of india at least i tell it as it is
RE:Mr. raj arora
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 08, 2008 11:12 AM Permalink
Did your folks eat with their hands? Your grandparents, perhaps? Just asking since you seem to regard it as backward. I was reading somewhere that if you wash your hands properly before eating, it is more hygienic that eating with spoons and forks.
Of course India has its problems, and the west has a lot of shine, and in some respects are truly advanced. Of course Indians should try to adopt the best that is in them. But this can be done without being ashamed of ourselves, or ridiculing our own culture and people.
A country is made by the people - without people, it is just land. So if you think India is beautiful, there must be some good at least in the people here?
I can understand your anger at the corrupt and the habitual law-breakers, and those who regard public property as their personal toilets and spittons, and share it. But it is we who have to change it from within. What good is it to go abroad and turn back and criticise?
Tell it like it is, but give some contructive suggestions, and do your bit to improve the lot of your people.
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by arun on Aug 08, 2008 11:29 AM Permalink
For Raj Arora and his friends here
Are u guys really born in India... or in some enemy state of India.... i guess so. See guys, critically analyzing one's country is one thing and insulting one's country or hating its people for a mere innocent behavior is another thing. May be you guys don't do those six of the so called criminal things as raj arora mentioned. Even i don't. But i am sure ur parents or grand parents would have done it at some point of their life and it could be same with my grands. But why we are not doing it ? coz of education. No one can deny that India is giving more n more education to its people. We had 14% literacy during Independence and now its 65%. Slowly but surely we are making progress. Say 200 years back had India colonized some other wealthy countries, looted its innocent people and invested in its own infrastructure and education and gave stomach full to its citizens, today India would have been a developed country. India didn't do it, in-fact we are the victim of colonization. We were looted by the countries, where you are hiding today and insulting the very India. Now you may ask why we didn't colonize? But thats like you are asking your dad ' why didn't you loot some bank , kill someone and make some big money dad? i could have lived a wealthy life today? '. Guys do me a favor, please don't come back to India. We are may poor but we are happy. Now let me go and teach my class, hopefully they won't turn out to be one of you.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by AK on Aug 08, 2008 12:24 PM Permalink
Hats off to both Devavrata and Arun. To add further:
Indian policies since Independence have been to first take care of the basic needs of its poor while taxing the rich on luxaries, by Indian standards (e.g. electricity, telephone, Radio, petrol etc.). Policies did not worry about if they were creating mega conglomerates at the expense of upper middle business class.
Stress was on Agriculture (food) & education (the only method of class shifting).
India also follwed a policy of non-alignment against the wishes of the west.
It also had to protect its borders from Palistan, Bangladesh & China.
Through all this baggage, India has come a long way by holding its head high. Today it is considered as one of the responsible (non) nuclear state and one of three fastest world economies.
I Think India can be proud of its achievements of 60 years. It has its problems and they will be solved as well.
It is diverse in culture, languages but still remains one country. It has states as big as countries in Europe who are all different countries eventhough they have mostly one religion.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by raj arora on Aug 08, 2008 06:31 PM Permalink
devatara yes thank u brazil is still a 3rd world like india ,well I cant do anythin about filthy india if I was in india or if I am sittin in the states,enjoy the pollution and filth
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by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
Dev,
Raj's replies do not warrant any response. Just smile and pass at an ignorant person....what good does it help to respond to him. Best way is to ignore him. Jai hind!!
Haters must be confronted, and the sources of their hate understood. Only then can we respond appropriately.
Some people are ashamed of their brown skin and desperately want a white one. Since that is not currently possible, they content themselves with heaping scorn and abuse on their own people.
These people suffer from the "Western=modern=good and Indian=outdated=bad" syndrome. We cannot simply smile and allow their tirades to pass. We must try and help them overcome the biases in their worldview. We must also not shy away from accepting any valid points they offer.
While mr.arora clearly enjoys his rants, given from a "superior" position he has supposedly attained, we must try to see the situation through an unbiased eye and decide on the future course of action. Contrary to Mr.arora, I believe that we can make an India that the world envies.
As a simple example, when the "great, modern west" had ruled us for 100 years, the literacy rate was 11%. Within 60 years, and in the midst of a huge population explosion, that rate is now around 65%. In 1947, Mr. arora would have said that India will always remain a country of illiterates, but he would have had to eat his words today. We need to work towards ensuring that he has to eat his words in future.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by Kris iyer on Aug 09, 2008 04:51 PM Permalink
Devavrata Satya, This is a good post summing up important points. 1) Indians who reach the West for the first time, tend to get overwhelmed by a host of emotions, including some of the "colour complexes" you mention. As they put in more and more years of stay abroad, they get a better balanced views of different countries and India. 2) The meaning of COURAGE to me is to face "dis-order", "indiscipline" and "disruptions" such as we encounter in India - face them with sound judgment and common sense. We should not give up. We should not do anything rash either. We need to work with people and institutions PATIENTLY. It is amazing how much can change when a handful of activists get together. We can make a difference for a better India. It is a culture that accepts change for the better. In democratic societies change happens slowly. When populations were small, change happened almost overnight, through force or the orders of a Rajah. For example, in the 15 century, Malay Hindu people converted to Islam, because their Rajah, Parameswara II, converted to Islam after entering into some deals with Gujarathi Muslim merchants. When the Raja's order went round the country, people obyed that order.
Those days are gone. The only option is to work with people in a democratic way. Taliban methods will not work - NOT in India. Patience is required.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by Vijay on Aug 10, 2008 04:51 AM Permalink
To me, any change that happens within and at a grass root level is more sustainable and this requires a lot of patience and a whole generation prepared to make sacrifices. This has to be a movement and the youth of India have a great part to play in this. The young minds need to be educated, shown the way, filled with pride and only then India will see changes. Young minds rising above caste, religion and uniting with a sense of purpose. The rest don't matter. Jai Hind
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by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 01:16 AM Permalink
wow here comes another paan eater vijay lol filthy turd must be the same guy i saw yest at o hare diggin his nose and spittin paan eww
