All the scholarly quote that was posted earlier was not a thousand years ago, it was less than 100 years ago. If you accept Einstein's theories, why not accept his intellect on India too? Why is there is a selective acceptance? And for brothers who hate India, what have you done to India to make it better? When you have not done anything, who gives you the right to complain? Can people take a pledge that henceforth he will be a good citizen, doing the right things, love and respect India and be proud? Where is your pride? I have American friends who are proud of their country, and it shows in their action. It makes me laugh, when you say India is filthy. Who is this India? Is it a separate entity? No, its the land and the people which make up India, and when you say its filthy, then you are filthy? It is one thing whining about, and it is another to put your head down and do something about it. Now, thats a man. Jai Hind!
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 08:16 AM Permalink
oh vijay im so sorry i hurt ur feelings ,i was wrong india is a very clean country , people dont spit on the roads ,break signals ,honk ,people r mannered follow the law every where ,wait for pedestrians to cross the road ,dont pee on the roads ,the poor and very happpy and well looked after and americans and the brits and the aussies are all lining outside the indian embassies for indian immigration , and oh ya dont forget indian athletes in beijing are gonna take home 200 gold medals and yes india is no 1 in cricket too they have toppled australia off the no 1 spot hahahha ,dude go check sri lanka trashin india
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Kris iyer on Aug 09, 2008 09:08 AM Permalink
Vijay, Excellent post. Some NRIs do LITTLE for India. Most do help if "pushed". NRIs think they are all completely safe wherever they are. Kenyan Indians came running to India when Idi Amin Dada turned violent. Whenever Indians get stranded abroad they expect Air India to get them back to India. Some of these people do not even remit monies through proper channel. They use Havala. During WWII when Japs occupied Malaya, Indians came back to India. NRIs must realise that their prosepcts abroad depend upon India's image as a strong power. No country in the world offers such privileges to their expatriates as India does: Tax Free deposit accounts, PIO Certificates to buy properties in India, easy investment terms and so on. LOTS OF PROBLEMS IN INDIA. We are all frustrated at times. But a large population in a "free-wheeling" democracy, corrupt politicians and officials, there are bound to be issues. But THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. It will take time. Courage is needed to face issues. CONDEMNATION is easy. Many will volunteer for that. But get down to details of each issue and work your way gradually. Cultures do not remain unchanged. But every change is better if done in a controlled manner. Wild fluctuations in tastes and behaviour is NOT positive for any culture. Every indian can take some aspects of traditional culture and enjoy knowing it and practising it. Music is the most common feature. Dance, yoga, religious ideas of mental peace, good diet, herbs.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 10:02 AM Permalink
mr krishna kumar iyer ,gun men in the usa ah u sayin no killings happen in india? hear of the arushi murder ,the neeraj grover case ,jesica lal the list is endless ,kilings are everywhere in the world ,who we foolin tat india is rich in culture ,if spittkn pan is wat u call culture i pity u
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Kris iyer on Aug 09, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
Raj Arora, You are entitled to your opinions. We are not denying facts. I wish to make two new points. 1) You say you do not "hate" India. Hard to believe that. Your alienation is complete, as shown by your logic. Random murders for crazy motives as in Columbine are on a separate basis. You cannot see the positives in India and cannot see the negatives in the USA. So be it. I hope you would have only pleasant experiences in your adopted culture. 2) India will not miss one "nano second of a beat" if you, me or anyone else, even Lakshmi Nivas Mittal says, "I will never visit India, again". India is a galaxy that won't miss one or two stars, or even an entire group of stars disappearing. There are enough Aroras in India, in the army, many high-ranking officers, Vyaparis, doctors, denstists and Babus. We are happy with their contributions. Some Aroras going elsewhere is okay. But please do not go out of your way to offend those of us who still want to do something for India.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 09, 2008 12:23 PM Permalink
To Raj Arora: To write something in a book one has to open it first. Samething applies for one's mind. Since your mind is totally closed, nobody can convince you. Good luck.
To everybody else: All of us have spent too much time trying to convice him all in futility. One positive thing in all this is that we have learnd each other's views through dialogue with him.
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by AK on Aug 10, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
As Vijay said, One needs to clean his thoughts first, then children's, then areas, then India's.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 09, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
India is indeed a land of culture and manners, unless you define only western culture as culture and western manners as manners.
I take pleasure in following those of your ilk, since you seem to take such pleasure in condemning everything that is Indian and ridiculing your own people.
Introspect yourself, if all you can see in India is filth and no culture.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 10, 2008 10:43 AM Permalink
Raj: I tried to stay away from writing to you but I could not. You present a good case for analysis, "Why you have such an inferiority compex and exposing it in a manner as if you have a superiority complex.
I wrote a article in a US-Indian News Paper in 1976 on some of the habits you are talking about. The difference is that you comments come from hatred for your own culture whereas mine were introspection and advice for improvement for people of my own brought-up. Remove your hatred and you will love yourself.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 10, 2008 08:14 AM Permalink
I see, Mr. arora that you have not taken the time for introspection and reflection.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
manners and culture ah ,try crossin the road and lemme see how any peope let u do so without hornin or cussin u out , dream on dude india is a joke
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 10, 2008 04:53 PM Permalink
You should be able to figure out my age from all the posts I have made in this forum. Furthermore, read my 32nd post "True PIO" it will explain what I observed.
Your comments show your age, i,e. a very childish 30 year old (frog) who has just stepped out of a well and is awed by all the glitz around him and feels that he has lost out on all the years he did not step out. Tarzon who has just reached city, or a person who lived in jail throughout his life and has just realized what freedom is upon release.
You do not see that you reached here through the same gates you are calling filth. You are what your roots are and if you like what you are today, you must appreciate the contributions of your parents, teachers, friends & surroundings (culture), whatever they are/were.
This is the ereason I said your comments indicate you do not like what you are and thus appear to have an INFERIORITY COMPLEX when you see white Americans around you who are much better than you.
I wrote about the behaviour of Indians arriving in USA not Indians living in India.
You talk about peeing on the street. With all the pressing problems in India and its poor, do you feel that government should first concentrate in building urinals & spittoon. It sounds like that beauty queen that was ridiculed during Miss World when she said that India need Stadiums first. I know you appreciate the Rest Stops on highways, that is future India.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
yes people have been told to ignore me but yet i see u guys followin me like parasites any ways as a fellow indian am sorry if wat iv said is hurt u but as i said truth hurts and retrorspect wat i said rather than believin india is a land of culture and manners, open ur eyes to the filtn around u
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 10, 2008 12:56 PM Permalink
dude u worte somethin in 1976 ,how old are u? u shud be lookin after ur grand kids rather than wastin ur time bloggin over a losin battle ,and more ever u wrote tat in ,76 many indians still are as filthy as ever looks like ur artice got trashed ,and as i said before india will never change
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 10, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
inferiority comples lol the very fact u replyin with such big lectures and with my words eatin u up shows who is the one with the complex and yes i am only stoppin now becauise of respect for ur age and also yes u agree the govt is all messed up so there is another reaon u shud know why people flee india to live abroad
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 10, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
Thankyou for showing respect for my age. It shows that you still have some Indian Culturte left in you. I do not disagree with your observations. As I said in my earlier post:
"The difference is that your comments come from hatred for your own culture" whereas mine are for improvement with constructive criticism. Be POSITIVE and Offer advice and you can make a difference.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 10, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
Mr. AK,
Another difference between you and the "superior" Mr. arora, who has proved his superiority by emigrating out of filthy India to utopian US, is that Mr. arora has this charming habit of saying that India will always remain filthy. As I pointed out earlier, India has come a long way since independence, but Mr. arora wants it to be like US right here, right now.
Your words do not eat anyone up Mr. arora. Don't give yourself unnecessary airs, "superior" though in your own eyes you might have become. Countering your visceral hatred does not mean your words cause anyone any anguish beyond wondering at the level of alienation that motivates you.
Keep blasting India in every forum you can. Ridicule it in front of your white friends. That will help you score some brownie points and help you feel more proud as someone who has not only disowned his roots but come to hate them with a passion.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 11:14 AM Permalink
Raj bhai, I can't but help feel sorry for the fact that you fail to understand the spirit of the arguement. No culture in the world is perfect and Indian culture is no exception, but you cannot deny the fact the country we have been born into is an ancient, one of the earliest and intellectually strongest all we asked was to appreciate that fact. My earlier posting regarding the quotes of eminent thinkers, was precisely for that. But you countered it saying what use is the past. Talking of Olympics, did you watch the ceremony yesterday? In the modern and collosal Bird's nest stadium, Chinese performers exhibited their culture in various ways. Did you enjoy that beauty, traditional and cultural ideas in the midst of the most modern stadium! Now, thats what we want for India. We have had great thinkers, we have had great ideas coming out of our minds, appreciate it and then with that pride continue your march forward. Where there is no love and pride, there can never be a work of perfection! Jai Hind!
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by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 11:16 AM Permalink
And...your joy, love and pride multiplies when you do that for your country and the satisfaction is immense. :-) Jai Hind!
