"He said India is changing and people don't want government, bureaucrats and politicians in their lives. The postman has been made irrelevant after courier companies have come in. Except the army, government should become non-existent in Indians lives ..."
Yes, and we are all rich like him and can afford to send our children to private schools and then college, and afford to go to private hospitals after the government gets out of these too. What world are these people living in ? Do they even realize the conditions under which 90% of their country-men live (650 million have to defecate in the open) when they talk about bullet trains (as if slow trains are the most important problem facing this nation) ? Do they realize that in a propsperous country like France (which they want to emulate) there is absolutely no private participation in education (private schools or colleges are unheard of) and even though there are a few private doctors the government provides health services to most people.
If such people penned the nuclear deal for us, then we are all done for.
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by nasty on Aug 04, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
In a country like france do you know how efficiently the govt machinery works?.. when u compare it with the laggards we have here only then will we understand why privatisation is important to India... we are a nation of kaamchors and we will remain one... the little development that we have achieved is due to few entrepreneurs who went after their targets in search of profits and in the process brought India to the global arena... privatisation will remain and is the way forward whether you like it or not...
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by Jagadis Bose on Aug 04, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
I refuse to believe that we are "a nation of kaamchors". I have studied in government institutions in India (IIT) and been to France many times and collaborated extensively with French mathematicians. I can tell you that organizationally from the entrance exam, to teaching classes, placing students etc. the IIT's are at par (or perhaps better) than the best French institutions (Ecole Normale Superior for instance). Of course, their resources are meagre compared to French universities. To a lesser extent the same is true of the postal service, railways etc.
It is very easy to cry out for privatization -- without considering its costs to society. The current trend towards privatization of education is a death knell for the Indian education system. Very soon only rich spoilt kids from urban families would have access to higher education -- and these kids are no good. I know -- I have taught many of these kids.
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by Girish Rao on Aug 04, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
IITs were given a freehand for all these years due to some really good politicians. But now look what is happening they want reservation their too, the casteist politicians have set their eyes on IIT/IIMs as well and I can easily see IIT/IIMs go down the drain in a few decades due to political interference.
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by nasty on Aug 04, 2008 08:01 PM Permalink
Sir, I understand your point and your angst, I may sound like a die hard supporter of privatisation, but I am not, at least not the health and education sectors... but you are failing to understand the basic point I am driving at, 60 years since independence and there is hardly a handful of govt run companies which can make a mark in global scenario... the lesser spoken about our govt driven healthcare and education the better... power generation is a joke... civic neccessities is a tragedy.. and many more examples... and after all these we still sit and ponder on why privatisation is needed.. dont u think our enterpreneurs are just tapping on our govts incapability...
RE:What nonsense.
by Jagadeesan R on Aug 04, 2008 08:47 PM Permalink
Agreed. But the same percentage of ppl has been defecating in the open since 1965, So why do want to stop private enterprise ? How many Garibi hatao campaigns happened ? What happened in this country between 1965 and 1991 - Did anything productive happen ? What did 44 years of extreme socialism bring us ? We are still struggling to progress because of those years and even now, your stupid command and control Soviet mindset persists..And the USSR is long dead and buried.
Why dont you ppl stop romanticising extreme marxist/socialist/communist ideologies from your AC room ? You remind me of Rahul Gandhi for whom Socialism is a hobby and nothing more. He will visit Vidharbha one day, next day he will go to IPL match.Ha !! Live in a glass house, throw stones at other...So basically you are saying, """I will make tons of money and have a good life, but I will give extreme socialism fundas to ppl who are trying to improve their standard of living and knock them down, Yes Sir". Morons like you and Rahul Gandhi will always keep this country down.
There probably has been more progress in poverty reduction since 1991 than from any garibi hatao campaign before that. This country has gone forward more in the last 17 years than in the 100 years before that, make no mistake about that.
Capitalism in extreme is also bad, But that doesnt mean that you cling to the same old crap ideologies of the past.
Make proper comparisons - France is about the size of Karnataka with probabl
RE:What nonsense.
by Jagadis Bose on Aug 04, 2008 09:14 PM Permalink
I am no Rahul Gandhi and I have no air-conditioners.
We did not have 44 years of "extreme socialism". In fact European capitalist countries (such as France, Germany etc.) were far more socialist than we ever were -- free govt. education, free health services, nationalized banks etc. I also do not have a problem with private enterprise -- provided they are regulated and taxed properly and they do not get to dictate the agenda of the government. Finally, it is absolutely not clear from the data that the RATE of poverty reduction has gone up during the "reform" era. What IS absolutely clear though is that the income inequalities and the gap between the rich and the poor has increased enormously, and we will all pay for this.
RE:What nonsense.
by nimit patel on Aug 04, 2008 06:55 PM Permalink
no friend they dont know all this they are interested in amoiunt which they will get from construction company from USA and from other raw material purchase...
still supporter dont know when they will finishe nuclear station construction... we know in india even a 100 km road complete takes 1 yr... narmada dam get 35 yrs to complete.. all the govt power station get 3 times then what planed.. budget increased by more then 5-6 times in every govt project... even if they gave workd to pvt companies...
because late penalty is jsut on paper.. misnister and burocrate get few lack or crore rs and they seat quite...
theya re talking like we are rich country and we will finish work on time light.. but theya re forgotting in india we are not a single project finished in time line...
china can make 3 gorgeous dam in 7 year.. but sardar sarovar is 7 times smaller then that which takes 35 yrs to build...
billions of rs will earn by corporate and construction comapnies.. the day govt survive stock market jumped because cement steel and construction company will get order.. they dont know benifit to country...
they jsut know two thing bribe the govt take order earn money and make profit...
thats why i am also against n deal.. because i know indian govt dont have guts to work out project in time and successfully...
