RE:RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Virgo on Aug 02, 2008 12:51 AM Permalink
Mullah Mathur,
Of course if it was a Muslim, especially one with a beard, he would have been more of a probable suspect. Why not? White/Black Americans have not yet been involved in any of the terrorism in India. It is only the Islamic terrorists who have caused all the major bombing of civilians. As long as this is the case, it is very appropriate to suspect Muslims more than any others.
Unfortunately, because of some Islamic terrorists, some innocent Muslims sometimes come under suspicion. This cannot be avoided. Instead of complaining and being defensive, all good muslims must come forward to proactively admit the cancer that is growing in their community and help the nation to catch these terrorists and weed them out. It is their national duty, besides being in their own self interest.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Amit Yadav on Aug 01, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
Mathur Sahab, World is not just. Nobody in world are equal. You can take example of any country.
If it would have been western country and if IP address would have been of an Indian irrespective of Hindu or Muslim Indian,that guy would have been defending himself in jail.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Pankaj Mohan on Aug 01, 2008 08:08 PM Permalink
Are you honest enough? Your name reads Asif Parker in another thread. Check out your own rediff history.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Raj Mathur on Aug 01, 2008 10:04 PM Permalink
So what difference does it make. Its the same user id. And when I said honest answers, i meant UNBIASED views.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Pankaj Mohan on Aug 01, 2008 10:58 PM Permalink
From Asif Parker to Raj Mathur in a debate like this makes a huge difference, specially if you call others to be UNBIASED.
As far as the matter on hand itself, what is so surprising if the American was not regarded a terror suspect. How many of them are found bombing Indian cities or anywhere else? They do it officially under the disguise of protecting the American interests and world peace...lol.
RE:RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Pankaj Mohan on Aug 01, 2008 11:12 PM Permalink
Two Muslim newspaper vendors goofed up the evening A'bad blast occurred. One of them called the other stating "Kam Ho Gayaa". He meant in reality, the newspaper selling would go up due to bomb blasts. The call was mistakenly made to somebody else though, who reported it to police officials. Interestingly, the family of the vendor took him to explain the police, and he was allowed to go home after strict questioning. It sounds fair. Some people can be extremely bad on both side (Hindu & Muslims), but some may not be, including those in the state administration.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Raj Mathur on Aug 02, 2008 12:19 AM Permalink
Actually I read only first reply and responded. And I deleted it myself after reading the second reply.
RE:RE:RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Pankaj Mohan on Aug 02, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
I have answered you Raj. Read me carefully. Btw, who deleted your message? Nothing offensive in there.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Pankaj Mohan on Aug 02, 2008 12:14 AM Permalink
I have answered you Raj. Read me carefully. Btw, who deleted your message? Nothing offensive in there.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Virgo on Aug 02, 2008 01:23 AM Permalink
Your question is fine. But, why being a Muslim you are impersonating as a Hindu? I know Pakis routinely do this on many forums. They pose as Indians and Hindus on our forums. They pose as Afghans/Indians on Afghan forums. Pathetic maggot worms.
You did not have to take on a Hindu avtar. Hindus on this forum would have given you an honest answer in any event.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Raj Mathur on Aug 02, 2008 02:09 AM Permalink
I have noticed that if a muslim tries to post these msgs, either they are reported for abuse or given lot of galis. Look at your own reaction - Mulla Mathur. So the debate goes somewhere else. Thats the only reason. By the way these reactions do hurt.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Virgo on Aug 02, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
Well, we caught you impersonating. If that hurts, you deserve it. You could have been honest and asked the question that you first asked. That was a very valid question. Instead, you are getting defensive. I answered you original question with honesty.
I have spoken against people trying to abuse all Muslims on this forum. That is wrong. I have always said that we need to distinguish between bad antinational terrorist Muslims and the good ones and that we should be careful not to put all muslims in the same basket and hurt the feelings of good patriotic Muslims.
However, you will find that muslims who engage in sincere debate here are treated well. The reason that most Hindus find it frutrating is that Muslims here deny that there are terrrists in their midst and have caused over 35 attacks (non Kashmir) and killed about 4000 Indians in the past three years alone. The defensiveness, denial and victimhood posture are what make Hindus suspicious. Why not admit the truth and join hands to eliminate the cancer in your community? All Hindus and all Indians would appreicate that from their fellow Muslim citizen.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Virgo on Aug 02, 2008 02:25 AM Permalink
By the way, do you see any Indian speaking badly about Abdul Kalam and muslims like him?
You sound like a good person. We can debate honestly and respectfully about these issues here if you so choose.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Raj Mathur on Aug 02, 2008 03:03 AM Permalink
i didnt see these articles before. i am happy that an initiative by muslims is being taken. lets hope for better future.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Virgo on Aug 02, 2008 05:17 AM Permalink
Yes, My India movement is a very good one started by those patriotic Indian Muslims youngsters. If you noticed, the article is a few years old. I don't know what the status is now. It is possible that the SIMI terrorists have managed to kill these youngters or silence them in some fashion. I hope these patriotic young Muslim Indians are doing Ok and that MY India movement is active and alive.
All good Muslims should support those youngsters and get the movement really big. That would not only help the nation, but also will be in the larger interests of the Indian Muslim community.
By the way, did you see that in the first article, the founder of SIMI himself admitted that the paki ISI had taken over the SIMI he founded?
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Raj Mathur on Aug 02, 2008 02:25 AM Permalink
I was not trying to be defensive when i asked that question. I just imagined myself in Kenneth Haywoods situation and posted that question. That thought is real scarry? what will happen to me then? Besides I do write my name at times under those msgs. And thats how you came to know about my real name. Am I right?
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Virgo on Aug 02, 2008 02:39 AM Permalink
Some poster above caught you, that's how I knew about your impersoantion. Anyways, that is not important. As I said, you sound like a good peson and a good Indian.
Yes, if it was a Muslim in Kenneth's place, he would have been arrested. Unfortunately when it comes to terrorism, profiling is necessary. Yes, innocent Muslims will be implicated. However, if they are innocent, they will soon be released. It is unfortunate that we have to do these things.
I request good people like you to join the national fight against paki sponsored Islamic terrorists.
People also need to know that it is the Sunni/deobandi/wahabi terrorist who are causing the problems. Shia, Ismaili, Ahmedi and so on are largely peaceful people.
Please check out the following:
"The SIMI I founded was completely different": rediff.com///news/2003/sep/02inter.htm
"My India to Counter SIMI":
rediff.com/news/2003/sep/30vijay.htm
The "My India" organization was founded by patriotic Indian Muslims. All Muslims who are patriotic should join this organization to kill SIMI and the Whahabi terrorists.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Vishnu Sharma on Aug 01, 2008 10:23 PM Permalink
Why do you want sympathy for muslims when they are not prepared to show sympathy for anybody.
Yes the person would have been taken away for interrogation and beaten black and blue. Which is good.
The days of islamic violence and lies are coming to an end.
RE:Imagine if it were a muslim
by Raj Mathur on Aug 02, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
This is what I am trying to say. Today attitude towards muslims is different at all levels. Many innocent muslims are paying a price for the act of few baddies. I dont accept that there are no baddies in other religions. Is this kind of attitude going to solve the problem?
