He is partly right.. What he says is correct to some extent. America as a society is crumbling. everyone thought that Bush and administration waged the war and people didnt like it but relection of bush and stronghold of Mccain is a clear indication that Americans are rightists. They like freedom forthemselves only. Also nuclear statemnt is correct, filling pockets, Iraq everything is orrect. The only problem is that I dont like it. I like American experiment and I really want it to work. America has given us light bulb, ford, planes etc. Muslims have nothing to give this world except for prayers and good food.
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by deepak on Apr 30, 2008 01:48 AM Permalink
how is he right?? if India cant defend itself from terrorists its not US fault..the Indian people themselves are naive...look at Bollywood wmovies like Dhoka which tells that promises not kept by Indian government created Islamic terrorists...nothing good can happen to such naive people
RE:He is partly right
by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 01:49 AM Permalink
I will explain how the so called west managed to GIVE the great discoveries.Just see my indisputable references you will then realize
How original is Johannes KEPLER?
From Florida State univeristy - Department of Optics
...The efforts of Alhazen resulted in over one hundred works, the most famous of which was Kitab-al-Manadhirn, rendered into Latin in the Middle Ages. The translation of the book on optics exerted a great influence upon the science of the western world, most notably on the work of Roger Bacon and Johannes Kepler....
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by deepak on Apr 30, 2008 01:57 AM Permalink
damn u moron Bala..Islamic fanatic and propagandist....Muslims did nothing..the court of Al Mansur in the 11th century translated some Greek works to aRabic, Brahmins scholars from India were invited to Bagdad and dAmascus...El Khwarazims work on Mathematics is aptly titled "Hindu Mathematics'...no nation if so smart as you claim can turn into a nation of murderers and terrorists.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
Any part which is center of intellectual activity will translate books from other langauges to its own. Tell me why the concept of Indian mathematics have to go through Muslims to europe,if brahmim scholors are that capable??
Why the west has to learn back the books of Greek from Muslims?Is greece near to saudi arabia than to london?
The turth is the indian number system would have seen the light of the day had it not been for muslims.They are the ones who synthethzied and revolutionized mathematics because greek mathematics (which doesnt have zero) and Indian mathematics doesnt rely on geometrical methods (mostly numerics and number theory).
RE:He is partly right
by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 01:49 AM Permalink
How original is Leonarda DA VINCI?
STUDIES ON LEONARDO DA VINCI by Kim H. Veltman from the premier - Maatricht mcluhan institue of Netherlands.he writes in the European Centre for Digital Culture, Knowledge Organisation and Learning Technology
...Werner believed that Leonardo's theory of vision owed much to the Arabic tradition, but had also been modified as a result of his own experiments with the camera obscura. Werner went on to consider Leonardo's work on other optical problems: binocular and stereoscopic vision, optical illusions, his experiments to demonstrate the rectilinear propagation of light. These, claimed Werner, derived mainly from Alkindi and Alhazen....
RE:He is partly right
by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 01:50 AM Permalink
How original is Roger Bacon - the so called pioneer of empiricism?
Encyclopedia of History of science
...In this part, also, it is evident that Roger Bacon is making use of such Arabian writers as Alkindi and Alhazen, and this is of especial interest, since it has been used by his detractors, who accuse him of lack of originality, to prove that his seeming inventions and discoveries were in reality adaptations of the Arab scientists...
RE:He is partly right
by siddhartha on Apr 30, 2008 01:47 AM Permalink
why is america still in Iraq?? would it not suit them if they had just bombarded Iraq out of existence instead of trying to Rehabilitate and Stabilize it at billions of dollars of expense?
So how exactly is US filling its pockets ? Its spents 100s of billions of dollars .. am not sure where it managed to fill its pockets though?
RE:He is partly right
by Sh singh on Apr 30, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
This man is crazy and idiot, He has no sense, why don't he look at his country first. 50% of his popolation lives under the poverty line. No food and this guy is filling his pockets. He is a typical middleeastern with a loud voice
RE:He is partly right
by ravinandanprakash agrawal on Apr 30, 2008 07:07 AM Permalink
Kaay public...padho to pahle dhang se uske baad chaloo ho..main bhi school gaya hoon..mujhe malum hai algebra, medicines, maps ka muslim connection. maine kaha 'nahin hai'..'nahin tha' nahin kaha..they dont have anything to give in future I mean. yaar angrezon ne kya halat machai hai Iraq ki or wahan musalman apas main lad rahe hain..kya bolun? gaali to hinduon ko bhee de sakta hoon ki saale mandir ke naam pe bachon or aurton ko marte hain lekin wo sawal nahin tha.. muslims ne contribute kiya.malum hai. angrez muslims ko sata rahe hain malum hai..angrez kameene hain malum hai..aage kya? musalman bhai log kar kya rahe hain? haan angrez log pistaul bechte hain afghanistan main malum hai..par kyun khareedni hai? malum hai unka ek bhi admi nahin marta apne lakhon marte hain..itna logic nahin dalte kya madarson main? jaane do apas main lado..ek doosre ko gaali do par problem se aankh pher lo..
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by ravinandanprakash agrawal on Apr 30, 2008 07:12 AM Permalink
yaar simple logic hai..agar basketball match jeetna hai to cricket ki practice ka fayda nahin hai...angrezon ke pass dimag extra nahin hai..dhan extra hai..economics..muslims ko wahi karna hai..economy main maaro..karo aisee universities tayyar ki kheton ke jalne ka darr na ho..karo pahle unemployment ka safaya..jo ladai ameer ki gareeb se hai use christian ki musalman se bana rakha hai religious leaders ne or balwaan se nirbal kki ladai bana rakha hai aam janta ne.. ladai paise walon ki ghareeb admi se hai..usee game ki tayyari karo..bandook khareed ke kuch nahin hoga na quran geeta ya bible ghotne se..
RE:He is partly right
by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 01:51 AM Permalink
How original is Fibonacci?
Department of Mathematics Texas AandM University by Donald Allen
Check the Section - ibn Shuja
..Abu Kamil also gave the solution of a fourth degree equation and of a quadratic equations with irrational coefficients. Abu Kamil's work was the BASIS of Fibonacci's books..
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by siddhartha on Apr 30, 2008 01:58 AM Permalink
you forgot to bring the sources about the greekk ,indian ad egyptian works on which the works of these'muslim' scholars were based...
its strange that no Christian or jew thinks in terms of how christianity or judaism has provided great scientific breakthrough ...when you could get tried of the contributions and works of emininent people from these two faith. Show muslim mentality more than anything else, will grab onto the smallest thing to try and show how islam is somehow the greatest religion...
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by siddhartha on Apr 30, 2008 02:00 AM Permalink
makes one puke...no wonder muslim are despised all over the world....
one begins to wonder how can it be possible that people from any faith, any race..any part of the globe all without exception seem to have unfavorable view of muslims...
the above display by balord is just one small example of it.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
RE:RE:RE:He is partly right by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:06 AM Any part which is center of intellectual activity will translate books from other langauges to its own. Tell me why the concept of Indian mathematics have to go through Muslims to europe,if brahmim scholors are that capable??
Why the west has to learn back the books of Greek from Muslims?Is greece near to saudi arabia than to london?
The turth is the indian number system would have seen the light of the day had it not been for muslims.They are the ones who synthethzied and revolutionized mathematics because greek mathematics (which doesnt have zero) and Indian mathematics doesnt rely on geometrical methods (mostly numerics and number theory).
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:09 AM Permalink
hey this is not a small thing.The western shcolors are now embrrassed to find that eveything which they initally claimed is proving to be a forgery from Muslim sources. This is a confession from Europes highest mathemcatical school School of Mathematics and Statistics University of St Andrews Scotland
...Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Arabic/Islamic mathematics.Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of the Arabic/Islamic contribution than to that of the Greeks.....
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
Any part which is center of intellectual activity will translate books from other langauges to its own. Tell me why the concept of Indian mathematics have to go through Muslims to europe,if brahmim scholors are that capable??
Why the west has to learn back the books of Greek from Muslims?Is greece near to saudi arabia than to london?
The turth is the indian number system would have seen the light of the day had it not been for muslims.They are the ones who synthethzied and revolutionized mathematics because greek mathematics (which doesnt have zero) and Indian mathematics doesnt rely on geometrical methods (mostly numerics and number theory).
RE:He is partly right
by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 01:47 AM Permalink
Muslims gave everything to this world it is just that you are not aware as you read science history from your school textbooks. All the so called great renaissance scientists simply copied and extended the works of Muslims.
If you want a brief intro then check this Nature magazine time line
Dont dismiss them as past glories as if the modern science has nothing to with that.The whole edifice of modern science is built from the works of that civilization.
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by deepak on Apr 30, 2008 01:50 AM Permalink
Balaord with his Islamic flag again...how can Muslims give anything at all except chaos and confusion and violence??? Islam cannot sustain an academic atmosphere with its promotion of fear of God and Quran..the mind is never free in Islam...Islam can never contribute...look around Islamic countries and all they do is terrorize kill each other on fridays brutalize women hang homosexuals, chop hands chop heads and argue about whats in the Quran and what is not...
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 01:52 AM Permalink
So what about the hundred references from the most prestigious institutions?are they fake? You are simply denying the obvious!!!! It is true ,Muslim countries have fallen behind in the race of science.This has much to do with colonization than to do with Muslims themselves
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by deepak on Apr 30, 2008 01:54 AM Permalink
Muslims hv not fallen behind they were always behind...othen than good architecture Islam contributed nothing.it created enemies out of brtohers liek India and Paksitan..Islam is a very destablizing force...even little Denmark cant cope with 250000 Muslims.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
Your very analysis of saying -just arhitecture-proves that you seem to think Architrecture has nothing to do with mathematics,engineering principles,physics and chemistry.
Here is PBS US GOVT funded television channel(I think you are living in US so you dont need any intro of PBS channel) documentary on Islam and its contribution.The list os endless - just watch the documentary from its website
RE:He is partly right
by Bei on Apr 30, 2008 08:20 AM Permalink
There are many so-called intellectuals like Balaord in those countries that makes those countries what they are today. Its a pity!
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 01:57 AM Permalink
>>>Islam can never contribute>>> You seem to be more knowldegebale than science historians -Propbabaly you got your collge degree from Fox news coroporation or from faith freedom international(???) association of morons
Just read this prestigious Mathematical Association of Americas director Keith devlin
This is from the MAA website itself
maa.org/devlin/devlin_0708_02.html
Do you know who is keith devlin? He is not a joker who bluffs in rediff forums without having any sense of history
See his profile in standford stanford.edu/~kdevlin/
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by deepak on Apr 30, 2008 01:53 AM Permalink
Sala jhoot bolta this Bala...Muslims simply stole Greek and Hindu works and translated them....Islam is only 1400 yrs old, even Pythagoras theorem came more than 2000 years ago...Islam like it stole Jewish religion and turned it to its own...it stole Indian land and turned to Islamic Pakistan.took the Hindi dialects and turned into Urdu..same theory.
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by siddhartha on Apr 30, 2008 01:55 AM Permalink
the 10 odd scientists make modern science a result of this civilization?? you got to be joking..
btw a lot of even these few that you have mentioned was actually inspired from Greek, Egyotian and Indian civilisation.
That however doesnt take away from what was achieved by those men.
Its strange that jews and chsritians have hordes upon hordes of scientists, philopshers of great repute...yet they dont consider it a result of the great jew or christian civilisation...
Muslims seem to live in their self concocted belief of being some supreme civilsation and religion..quite extraordinary that belief is, from where i stand muslims are probably the most lacking in imagination, morality ,ethics...
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
Here is PBS US GOVT funded television channel(I think you are living in US so you dont need any intro of PBS channel) documentary on Islam and its contribution.The list os endless - just watch the documentary from its website
