RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
Are you talking in the air or is there any proof to substantiate your claim? To the best of my knowledge, Periyar was only reacting to the cunningness of the Tamil brahmins. Even the cunning Dewan Sir C.P. Ramaswamy had to flee Travancore to escape from the wrath of general public as he had connived with the Britishers in supressing the freedom struggle. The Tambrams had committed all sorts of atrocities and were active partners of the Europeans (I am not a brahmin hater and do not hold any grudge against the present generation for the wrong doings of the ancestors or some of them).
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 01:59 PM Permalink
GO to Dawn News Paper Website and search for Periyar you will get your answer....and all the above facts can be verified on the net.......
South Indian bhramins were highly orthodox so the general public viewed them with hate..........Subramaniyam bharathi was a freedom fighter and the greatest tamil poet was a bhramin ....Tirupur Kumaran was a bhramin.........And the Dark ages of Tamilnadu is known as rule of Kalabhars(Jains).....it was only bhramins who were instrumental in defeating them
RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:07 PM Permalink
and Adi Shankaracharya who reconverted the entire Indian nation from buddisium to hinduism was a bhramin......otherwise How there is not much buddisium is active in main land india,inpite of Ashoka conversion to buddisim.....
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:21 PM Permalink
Islamabad Radio till today broadcast 30min of Tamil programme and songs,in external service.
RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
What is so great about? Radio Cylon used to broadcast Malayalam programs for one hour every day (not sure whether they are still continuing the same)!
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by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
This pure non-sense. Adi Shankara did not convert any one to hinduism (even the term "hinduism" did not exist during Adi Shankara's time). There were warring factions like Shivites and Vasishnavites apart from various indigenous factions worshipping "Shakti" etc!
Ashoka did not rule any significant part of South India. He had sent his daughter Sangamitra to Sri Lanka to propagate Buddhism.
The Buddhists do not beleive in any god (or supreme creator). They beleive in the theory of "karma" and "re-birth" and interestingly enough they beleive that the re-birth is based on the "last thought" of the dying person!!
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:48 PM Permalink
The main languages of South India are Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam (in the order of population using the same). There are some local dialects without scripts like Tulu, Konkani, etc but they are not considered as separate languages.
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
Are you a neo-convert? I have seen many Christians posting messages like "Adi Shankara" had massacared thousands of indigenous people to propagate hinduism etc as a counter to the Inquisitions carried out by Chruches in the middle ages (you are also not better than us type of argument!)
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:42 PM Permalink
I'am not a neo convert.....but if you feel that you know everything abt south India....pls write the how many Dravidian language exist today and name them
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
the point is Shankarachaya travelled all over India and establish the Matt....the purpose of the same was unite the Indians and bring them back to the Dharma........you are correct the term Hindu was not there but the term used was Sanathana Dharma.....
RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
The contents of a news paper web-site is not "gospel truth" ! I am an atheist from South India and know for sure about the Dravidian parties and Periyar more than the half-baked information available on the web.
RE:DMK
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Please do not insult the great son of India"Periyar"-In Tamil it means the RESPECTED ONE" !He was true Indian in fact knew all south Indian Languages and tried to ensure entry of Dalits in to Temples !which was resisited by the Brahmins!Periyar was born as Erode Venkata Naicker Ramaswamy in Erode in Madras Presidency . He was from a prominent Telugu Balija Naicker caste, a community that descended from the Nayak chiefs of the Vijayanagar Empire. Ramaswami Naicker was born in 1879 into a family of Balija Naidus, a Telugu jati of traders and cultivators and he grew up in Erode, a fairly important mercantile town in the Coimbatore district of Madras" as per Paula Richman in "Many Ramayanas". "Periyar" means 'respected one' or an 'elder' in Tamil.Hence he is sometimes called E. V. Ramaswami Naicker. "Ramaswami" was his given name and "Periyar" means 'respected one' or an 'elder' in Tamil.He is referred as Periyar and a University was named after him by the Tamil Nadu Government]Periyar could speak three Dravidian languages: Kannada, Tamil and Telugu. Though Kannada was his mother tongue, he mostly used Tamil EVR was an atheist, noted for his antitheistic statement, "He who created god was a fool, he who spreads his name is a scoundrel, and he who worships him is a barbarian."
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by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:46 PM Permalink
if you really know South India name all the dravidian language which are still in existence
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
Gotcha......it is Bhrui or Bhroi spoken in parts of baluchistan in pak.....it is one of the oldest dravidian language
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
........it seems that there is no language called "Bhuri or Bhori" anywhere in the world as no internet search engine is displaying any result for the same.
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
Bhuri is defnitely not a language. All recognized Indian languages are included in the Schedule to our Constitution and Bhuri is not one of them. You can even see all of them on the Indian Currency Notes also.
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by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
[edit] EVR and Kula Kalvi Thittam/Hereditary Education Policy Rajaji introduced a new education policy based on family vocation which its opponents dubbed Kula Kalvi Thittam (Hereditary Education Policy). As per this policy schools will work in the morning and students had to compulsorily learn the family vocation in the afternoon. A Carpenter%u2019s son would learn Carpentry, a priest's son chanting hymns and a barber%u2019s son hair cutting and shaving after school in the afternoon.[27] EVR felt that the scheme was a clever device against Dalits and Other Backward Classes as their first generation was getting educated only then.[28] EVR demanded its withdrawal and launched protests against the Kula Kalvi Thittam (Hereditary Education Policy) which he felt was caste-based and was aimed at maintaining caste hegemony. Rajaji quit in 1954 and Kamaraj scrapped it after becoming chief minister.[29][30]
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
The main languages of South India are Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam (in the order of population using the same). There are some local dialects without scripts like Tulu, Konkani, etc but they are not considered as separate languages.
RE:DMK
by on May 09, 2008 01:40 AM Permalink
there is a study that dravidians were living in harappan/indus valley civilization which in pakistan now. due to aryan invasion or other unknown reason they moved down to south. refer wikipedia for details.
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:05 PM Permalink
So you are a muslim under an assumed name who wants to attribute everything in India to the Islamic invaders! Great! Continue your misinformation propaganda.
I have not heard of any dialect called "bhuri". What is the population speaking that language?
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
it is not a dialect but a language.....go to wikipedia you will get all the answers.......I'am talking abt a time when there were no muslims but jus tribes in middle east who were so uncivilised that they were sleeping with their sis amd moms....
RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
This is no ordinary paper....Dawn is most respected paper of Pakistan......jus go to the search coloum and type E V Ramaswamy....
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
Periyar was a rationalist. There are many problems the world over today due to religious fundamentalism, especially the intolerance of the followers of Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). The religions were created by vested interets to hoodwink the gullible masses. Hinduism is not a religion in its narrow sense. It is a conglomeration of various beliefs and eve non-beliefs (atheists existed even in Vedic periods and were known as "Charvakas").
Since the Brahmins were behaving as if they are the whole-sale dealers of spiritualism, Periyar was against them. Their caste superiority coupled to the natural cunningness of Tambrams became a deadly combination!
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
Pilgrimage to Kaasi He went on a pilgrimage to Varanasi to worship in the famous Siva temple Kashi Vishwanath in 1904. He wanted to enter a Free-lunch place but finding that it was meant only for Brahmins he disguised himself as a one. But it was discovered that he was not a Brahmin and he was removed from the place.Later he learnt that the Free-lunch place was built with the donation of a Dravidian merchant.[10] He saw the discrimination against non brahmins. He had pictured Kasi as a place where all Hindus would be treated equally. This humililation was the turning point in Periyar's life and after that made a deep wound in the heart of Periyar and it inflamed intense hatred towards the caste system and Hindu religion itself and Ramaswami was a believer till his visit in kasi after his visit his views changed and he became an rationalist.[11] On returning to Erode - his father delegated all his trade rights to this second son and renamed his major commercial concern under the title: "E.V. Ramasamy Mandi
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Periyar worked for OBC and BC but not for the poorest of poor i.e.Dalits......TN still has one of the most high crime rates aginst dalits go to southern districts you will know....
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
and for your info periyar was a kannadiga not a tamilian you can verify the same on wikipedia.
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
MGR was a Kerlite while Ms. Jayalalita is a Kannadiga. Periyar was a Kannadiga but he was working among the poorest of poor from TN. What difference that makes to you? I do not give credence to any news paper, least of all a Pakistani one!
RE:DMK
by mahabodhi on May 02, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
@JGN Nirvana as Moksa Uttaradhyana Sutra provides an account of Gautama explaining the meaning of nirvana to Kesi a disciple of Parsva. [11]
%u201C There is a safe place in view of all, but difficult of approach, where there is no old age nor death, no pain nor disease. It is what is called Nirvâna, or freedom from pain, or perfection, which is in view of all; it is the safe, happy, and quiet place which the great sages reach. That is the eternal place, in view of all, but difficult of approach. Those sages who reach it are free from sorrows, they have put an end to the stream of existence. (81-4) Even In Jainsm the differnce is not much!
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by anuragawasthi on May 02, 2008 11:07 AM Permalink
The concept of Nirvana was derived from the concept of Moksha.....where the soul is liberated from the cycle of Death and rebirth.
