RE:Pay and army by sanjeev on Apr 28, 2008 05:12 PM Mr Red Pascal; how much u know about army. IF u are an army officer then I think u know more better then me. if not then kindly think what u think is influence of media. corruption in defence is higher then civillian. but yet to explore. army officer making troops to their servant, A officer in peace are cost in lakhs.] and after mazor calculate how much time u will be field area. when u are talking hard life. u are comparing army in danger zone and police in peace. let compare them with equal plate form. police officers are supposted to fight with terrorist with traditional weapons.
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by rohit hooda on Apr 29, 2008 02:38 PM Permalink
Not sure about Red Pascal, But I would like to shed light on some of the statements that you have made: 1. "corruption in defence is higher then civillian" I would be really surprised if some study actually even TRIED to compare corruption in politics/IPS or for that matter ANY other govt. branch with the corruption in the combined armed forces. 2. "A officer in peace are cost in lakhs" Ignoring the grammatical errors, did you know that the defense forces are in 2 different modes "in war" or "preparing for war" When the officer is as you call it in peace he goes on exercises (which mean mock war like situations) for around 4-8 months, that is if he is not actually taking a full time course on warfare. If the officer is doing neither then he is facilitating others to achieve those two primary goals. 3. The actual explanation of hard life would take too long but consider this: i) An average jawan spends 12-15 years of his active tenure with out his family. ii) An infantry officer spends roughly 16-22 years of his 30 years of service in Field ares postings. iii) Occupational Mortality rate is the highest amongst ANY other government service, and almost all other occupations. I hope you understand that hard life actually does mean HARD life. 4. Traditional weapons for police officers Police force is not the active agency in CI Ops. But where they do work they have the same small arms as the Indian Army. Regards, Son of an Army Officer.
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by sanjeev on Apr 29, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
Gentleman, I am talking about life of officers. and u are talking about troops. if u are realy son of army officer, then let me know, which law give power to officers to treat them as a servant. U know this will be the case of human exploitation, with a punishable crime.
I am also a defence civilian officer, and i know ground reality.
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by Rajendra Aggarwala on May 07, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
A batman is not a servant you blockhead. A batman is a companion, whether in peace or in war, trained to be a personal companion providing personal help and services to support the officer in carrying out his duties. He mends and prepares his dress, and provides all personal services as needed by the officer so that the officers carry out their war related duties. In the peace stations, they are trained to do such duties. Not all officers get a batman. It all depends on the nature of their duties in the field or in peace time. Officers and men sacrifice their lives for each other(mercenaries like you will never understand that); their relationship is of service to each other in their respective duties, not the relation of a servant to a master, as in civil life. There is no parallel in civil services to that unique and noble relationship. Whatever you think you know is a figment of your own distorted values. Most civilians in whatever service including the police are essentially corrupt and shirk even their simple duties of attending office in peace time, and living with their families comfortably. Even then they keep on demanding more pay, serve much longer in their service, go on leave whenever they want to, live with their families, and their lives are rarely in danger. Just go the front line and the anti-terror operations sometimes, and examine your pants on return. Most in civil life only hoodwink their bosses and colleages, extort as much money as they can from the pub
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by sanjeev on May 08, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
I am just asking, is it legal or illegal, if you dont know ask your father. if he is in army. You are right only few officers are allowed for these services. but what about those who are not authorised but still doing so. if CBI came their, you all will be terminated.
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by sanjeev on May 08, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
Dear all, Now a day Indian Army in the habbit of killing their own officers. We can see various suicide in the Army these all are due to unfair rules and regulation for which immediate attention is required to be taken. There are many eg : (a) A few days ago there was a suicide committed by a lady officer named Sushmita. (b) Suicide in IMA is common according to views of Army Officers (c) Corruption by Senior Army officers What is the solution :- Every question have a answer but a appropriate answer deemd fit so Indian Govt must take following immediate actions :- (a) Meida should be closer (b) Jawans also be given appropriate power to avoid unfair rules imposed by Army officers at their own discertion (c) There should be banned of using to jawans as there personnel servant (d) Vehicles should not be allowed for wives of Army officers untill or unless they become ill (e) There must be one rule of set for one office and should not be any discrimenation (f) Persons selected staff for united missions must have equal tenure that to be of 1 year or more and persons going with unit be of atleast 6 months either officer or jawan. Immediate attention by Defence Minister
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by monesh bathre on May 04, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
sitting in an ac room...surfing the net on ur lap....mc donalds pizza huts and kingfidhers....come with me to the frozen mtns in dec....promise ur next gen will freeze under ur ugs....there is no civil defence....either u r the defence or .,...a civilian,...like so many others ...from 1 to so amny crores/./congratulations u r (mis)fortuante enough.god bless..
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by sanjeev on May 05, 2008 04:57 PM Permalink
I am not criticizing army, I am just saying. We cannot neglect the contribution of other. No doubt to die for country is very big think. But to live a life for someone else is bigger contribution. U all know the contribution of army, so u are telling so, but u don%u2019t know the contribution of those, who was not high lighted by media. Does u know the life of a person working with explosives, every day he was fighting with life. Does u know the life of a person working with chemical which can genetically modified u. Does u know the man working with radiation, which can leads to cancer. It is not so that they always suffer from that kind of problems. But who fall in that always remains un noticed. Dear friend%u2019s army in final executer. But there is other also, which are living in more miserable life, even when they are the product of India topper institutes and can earn lakhs, which they had left for the country. and they are now living for country. they are facing problems, so that our defense officer will not get problem. Think about this
