A person who is not a strategist cannot be a leader or politician...at least not at the cost of our country and its countrymen.
FYI, Kashmir has been a integral part of Hindustan for more than 25000years.
There were hundreds of Nizams and Rajah's who wanted their state to be seperate. So does it mean they were not part of Hindustan? If it was not Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, Nehru would have further divided our country.
Its better to invoke Patriotism in youth rather than defending people who are still dividing our country for some amount of money! The youngsters need not be told about this...do we?
Nehru was concerned more about his own/family interests than country.
Has our history books ever mentioned why Subhash Chandra Bose chose to be out of country after independance..why was it fabricated that he died in plane crash. The media cant be so weak Mr. Narpinder.
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by Kris iyer on Apr 21, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
dp... My reply to you continues: Nehru's foreign policy of "non-alignment" was idealistic. With Su-Karno of Indonesia, Tito of Yugoslavia and Abdul Nasser of Egypt, he thought he would keep India out of the clutches of the USA (of whom he was very suspicious - he did not like any of the large US "corporations" or America's crusade against Communism ) and Soviet Union (he did not like Lenin and Stalin killing so many of their fellow citizens in the name of Marxism). He did his best to include China in the "non-aligned block". At the Bandung N-Align Meeting, I think, 1955 or '56, he took Chou-En-Lai by hand and spent a lot of time walking and talking with him. He wanted an "Asian solidarity" bewteen Indian and China. But, alas, his foreign policy edifice was destroyed by China's, massive, military attack in 1962. No N-Aligned country, except, perhaps, Indonesia, supported India in this dispute with China. Within two days of the Chinese attack, Nehru had to swallow his pride to ask the USA for ammunition, artillery, transport planes etcetera. Most of what he asked for President Kennedy delivered to India. But what seemed like a massive invasion of India, fizzled out when the Indian army gained their composure and began to inflict heavy casualties on the Chinese. Nehru suffered a mild stroke, within a few months. This was not publicised. But he was paralysed by a massive stroke in 1964. When the news of his death came, believe me, INDIA CRIED. We could NOT control our tears.
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by Kris iyer on Apr 21, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
Dear dp, Pandit Nehru's record as India's first Premier, cannot be, should not be, seen in such stark "black and white" terms. I too am critical of Nehru in lots of important respects. But I think, his heart was in the right place, he loved India, he was NOT corrupt. He did not try to make Indira his successor during his life-time. She almost did not make it. She fought her way against the Congress (Syndicate) and defeated it through her skill. We need to remember the life Nehru led and the influences he came under. His family was nationalistic, Nehru learnt his Fabian socialism in Britain - a socialist thinking that suited post-war Britain only for two decades or so. He spent many years in uncomfortable prisons in India. Lost his wife very early on in his life. He had no time for personal "love" affairs and so on. He believed, "I have miles to go before I sleep".
On the negative side, Nehru, could NOT see how his socialism was breeding corruption in his own party; could not see that Communist countries were not as prosperous as "capitalist" countries; could not see that his land-reforms were not working; could not see that the caste-based election strategy of the Congress was DIVIDING India. He could have been more forceful in declaring, "I want to see this caste-thing kept well away from politics". His words would have carried weight. He could have deliberately selected candidates on their work in a constituency. He could have stopped the VP Singhs and Arjun Singhs.
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by Nirpinder Singh on Apr 22, 2008 09:49 AM Permalink
The fact that Nehru was not corrupt is debatable. It would take too long to say why but let us talk about Indira Gandhi's rule. She encouraged sycophancy (for the first time in the Congress) and tolerated corruption. The Indian Bureaucracy and Polity achieved its dubious distinctions of being the most corrupt of the branches of Indian Government during her Prime Ministership. All of the subsequent functionaries that have held office since then are merely following her "illustrious" example.
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by Roni gavaskar on Apr 21, 2008 01:11 PM Permalink
Arrrr..!Itna garam kyon hota hai yaar..!
DRDO, Defence, Mills, All base organizations...and many many initiatives were taken by Nehru..! Why are you angry with Nehru..! Just in 60 years of independence what else do you want to achieve..!
Can you name any country as big as India who got DEVELOPED just in 60 years...! Just name ONE Country..!
India is way ahead in that pretext..!We are proud of it given the Size, population, and Indian History..!
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by Nirpinder Singh on Apr 21, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
What he is talking about are military matters! It is correct that the nation's political leaders are expected to be knowledgeable about the nation's defense. If they are not they should not get in the way of persons who are. Witness how Lal Bahadur Shastri gave carte blanche to his military generals. They in turn brought Shastriji and the nation that is us Victory.
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by Roni gavaskar on Apr 21, 2008 01:23 PM Permalink
Yes..I know..!But do you really like to compare India with China..! Have some self esteem dear..!
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by Netra Maithun on Apr 21, 2008 01:29 PM Permalink
Actually they developed in the last 30 years! I have self esteem hence I find no problem to acknowledge China's development. Rivals we are, but we can learn from each other. China has no problem acknowledging that they lost out on software... Their Premier personally invited Indian firm to China and help them develop the software indusrty.... Dear Roni, I visit China quite often.... and am speaking from first hand knowledge...
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by Good Will on Apr 21, 2008 04:59 PM Permalink
(Dubai)United Arab Emirates. Dubai was nothing 40 years ago. And it has become the one of the most influential cities providing jobs to hundreds, thousands and lakhs indian middle class worker and even technicians , engineers, doctor's. whats better development of India or development of Dubai
