Who cares about Iqbal. I dont. The author is dreaming. He lives in Chicago and is most probably a liberal socialist that has escaped to the US. He paints India with some wierd rosy eyes, expecting everyone to give up their individual identity. He and these other liberals are dreaming. At the end of the day man is defined by his community and culture. Women want to change the status quo as it disfavors their status. But guess what when they are granted more power they behave no different than men. As far his marrying a brahmin woman from Maharashtra, it is well known that maharashtrian brahmin women have loose moral character. They will marry anyone that has money and/or looks.
RE:Damn Iqbal...
by Kris iyer on Apr 13, 2008 09:42 AM Permalink
Dear Peter Parker, Is this your usual style of debate? Personal attack is your chief argument? Sad. One or two of your ideas can be expressed in a more reasoned and reasonable manner. If done properly, many may come to your viewpoint. But you are not giving any thought to it, it seems. I am sad that generally, Indians seem to start on a useful debate, but very soon, end up making personal comments, which in turn degenerates into a shouting match. So, everyone leaves, none the wiser but more entrenched in their dislikes. I would suggest you watch some debates on the BBC World, or on CNN. You may learn something. Don't be shy to learn at any age, from anyone - another failing of our people. They are scared of learning something from others, especially, if they are Indians. Please consider Mr.Ram Kelkar's views, no matter where he lives or whom he has married. He gave that information to highlight the sort of changes India has witnessed and to show that with good will and common sense can get on well as Indians. I hope you will not be sued for defamation by a group of Maharashtrian brahmin women. Incidentally, I have met a few. They are no different from Indian women of whatever group. You are defaming thousands and thousands of very decent Maharashtrian brahmin families also through your remarks about their women. Finally, some of us care about Iqbal. We do not like his support for partition. But as a poet we like him. Speak for yourself. Do not speak for us.
RE:Damn Iqbal...
by JaiHanumaan on Apr 13, 2008 12:50 PM Permalink
With All due respect, west is a very stifled society, under the iron hand of law and corporate power(tyrannies). Democracy is a sham in America. People in US debates take very calculated positions with fear of jeopardizing their economic control over people.Its a very artificial controlled society.
It is not taught even in american universities that america is a democracy.It is america who can learn from indian socialist(still) democracy to loosen up a bit and have some real democracy.
Indians have become more materialistic since 1991 when rajiv gandhi was killed and narasimha rao government took the credit for starting economic reforms.
Movements in indian thought are coming from southern india, because they have embraced the western/american style capitalism and there is literally no challenge to them, they are running away with the cake.
I pray to the almighty that a current to counter this current be born in northern hindu india setup, to quiten the forces unleashed from southern eliet establishments and their american freinds.
North is loosing out with this deluge of capital from foreign lands from secular elites forming alliances with west. They just have name of GOD and their ancient faith to stick tightly to, on this modern day assault by secular, rich, psudos , english educated, of this modern day economic whirlwind which is engulfing the simple people of faith of india.
RE:Damn Iqbal...
by ashwin dandwate on Apr 12, 2008 10:49 PM Permalink
One question Peter.who told you that story about Maharashtrain Women?
I dont know which part of the country you come from? whatever it is, a child raised by a Maharashtrian brahmin women wont have that kinda mentality towards any other women from from any community.
So, clearly you have not been raised by a Marathi women and your mother (with all due respect) has failed in the job of raising you up. Though I think she is a wonderful person.
My two cents to you would be to stop using such derogatory statements about any women from any community(especially Indian....this being an Indian forum), be it any inferiority complex/problems you incur.
RE:Damn Iqbal...
by Peter Parker on Apr 15, 2008 05:48 AM Permalink
Dandawate Do not give me that crap. Maharashtrian brahmin women are no saints. I have seen more than enough with my own eyes, to realize that maharashtrian brahmin women are more promiscous than their male counterparts. That is my opinion and if you don't agree then thats your opinion. As far as this perfect union bullocks its just another liberal ploy to make india from hindustan to "hindistan". That aint happening bro.
RE:Damn Iqbal...
by Aditya on Apr 12, 2008 08:27 PM Permalink
If you think a man is defined by community and culture then what is your individual identity? The minute you call yourself a part of a group you compromise your individuality and self respect because you are allowing them to represent you. The very basic thing a person can do is represent himself.
RE:Damn Iqbal...
by True Blue on Apr 13, 2008 07:40 AM Permalink
Your cheap lowlife comment about women from a certain region and community in India shows your own lack of moral character. And when did you become an expert to give out certificates of character to women.
