If you go through the messages across this board, you won't find a single message supporting Tibetans.
Tibet "may be or may not be" an internal issue of China. But its definitely an occupation & also, its ethnic cleansing of local populace.
Muslims try to compare Tibet to Kashmir. But these are totally different. Kashmir has their own CM through elections. And unlike Tibet where Han-Chinese are replacing local Tibetans, in Kashmir other Indians can not buy land or property.
And if one protests against Indian army presence in Kashmir, why don't they protest against Pak army's presence on other side (POK)? That sends the message "that its ok for Kashmiris to be ruled by Muslims Pak". Reality is quite different; ex-army officers of Pak are settling in large numbers in POK & are replacing the local Kashmiris. Whether this is acceptable ?
Coming back to Tibet, imagine if Muslims were the majority in Tibet ! Whether Indian govt would have reacted the same way ? Whether Islamic countries would have reacted the same way ? Just becoz Budhists are getting killed, is it ok ?
CPM in India acts as if they are the only party concerned about Muslims in India. Joke ... Communists are killing their own Muslims in China in another province. So, how does Indian Muslims react to this ?
If we have given refuge to Tibetans, we should atleast allow them protest "peacefully". Human beings killed in any country, of any religion or any caste is a crime.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:40 PM Permalink
tibbet and kashmir are same issue. only difference is tibbet were not haveing any problem and they were being forced by CIA to raise a voice and kashmiris are being oppressed for long so they have raised hands for their freedom. otherwise both need freedom and they should be given.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 12:45 PM Permalink
Why don't you say the same thing to Pakistan Govt to stop its meddling in Baluchistan. Perhaps you are deaf to their cry for freedom. Go to the Northern Areas of Afghanistan and try to say you are a Pakistani and see what happens.
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by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 01:07 PM Permalink
Dont worry Golden , the Chinese have shown that they support all the scoundrels in the world. Hence you are assured of their full support.
Regarding Kashmir, there was no problem except for the Paki Govt formenting. The oppression that you talk of occured to 100s of thousands of Sikhs , Hindus , Buddhists who were killed and to an equal number who were thrown out of Kasmir and now live as refugees in Delhi , etc. These people had been in Kasmir till times immemorial. This is ethic cleansing on a mssive scale carried out against Minorities by the mojority in Kashmir. There are Human rights violations in Kashmir- yes - against the minorities ( the hindus, sikhs , buddhists)
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by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:22 PM Permalink
there were never any ethnic cleansing in kashimr. there still plenty of kashmir pundits living in kashmir. i realised this only after going to here. i talked to so many pandits there and they are peacfully living. only some cowards who were not able to tolerate the heat of freedom fight have fled and these kinds of rats are every where. even during indian freedom fight there were plenty of people who were enjoying the slavery time and so many people were getting jobs in the british army and when time comes they were shooting onthe indian freedom fighter too. so rats are every where who fly when there is fire. i am not surprised if you are one among them.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Hooter on Apr 10, 2008 01:43 PM Permalink
Golden,
When you don't agree with our views on Kashmir,
Why should we believe in your stories ? Why peaceful Hindus killed by the majority Muslims engaged in terrorism should be termed as "rats".
Just becoz you don't like them !!
You Muslims will never ever stick to law of land, obey the constitution, always believe in rumours & always take up arms and kill innocent people & children.
Have some gratitude towards the land you reside in.
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by babar on Apr 10, 2008 01:47 PM Permalink
i dont know about golden but i dont reside in india .i reside in indian occupied kashmir so called attot ang of india. well ur forefathers should have stick to the british constitution and obeyed rule of land.why did the take up armed struggle first ,the terrorists like bhagat singh ,chandrashekar azad and subash bose
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 01:44 PM Permalink
Whom are you fooling. The refugees are still in Delhi / Kashmir. All the Hindus, sikhs , buddhists killed by your friends - their life I guess has no value .
Stop looking at life only from the point of vieew of religion.Most Indians dont support USA in their acts.They bview USa as a country that has lost its morals. But dont try to cover up blatant ethnic cleansing. If such a thing happens to you and it is wrong, then it doesn give Islam the right to do the same. Why are youguys unable to give recognition to other religions as equal.
RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 01:49 PM Permalink
for you it is freedom fighters and freedom and for musilm it becomes terrorism..how much of hypocracy
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
If you go through the sentence still indicates people who havent moved out people who didnt play on part of communal lines ,people who were beside kashmiri muslims in every problem,people who didnt vanish overnight in planes and buses.people who live today happily with their muslim brothers .Do u know who are these pandits who left from kashmir.those who had properties in other parts of india .Those who have decieved their own muslims and pandits and sikhs .These people do not include only some kashmiri pandits but kashmiri muslims as well .The cruel part is that they destroyed the lives of some viilagers from pandit community by showing them a flashy picture and backstabbing them .those are the people who live in tents and many of them have realised and returned back ..plus the hurriyat that you see as extremists have many a times requested them to return ..and not by any government..rest is for you to think ..whatever you want to
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 02:11 PM Permalink
and indians were not born in kashmir..well the pandits who left was because the freedom movement was given a communal color by india .there are still thousand of pandits and sikhs living in kashmir..what about that
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 02:58 PM Permalink
Yes better to leave it at this. Because I cannot convince you and you cannot change my belief or those of milions others who know the reality that it is Pak inspired and religion based and precahes violence against those who differ The effort is to make Kashmir into a Muslim Nation under the tutelage of Pakistan. I stop here. The context also is Tibet - not Kashmir
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 04:24 PM Permalink
It is not about what you or i think .it is about freedom fpr all.You and me and everybody.The irony is that media is such a strong weapon in the hands of any nation that you can change dimensions overnight by projecting what you want to project.And this is indeed done by nations who want to supress voices against them be it china ,pakistan or india ..All fall in the same league at the end of the day and at the same tiem they keep their populace at bay so that they can enjoy the fruits of trouble so that supressed remain supressed and poor more poorer and at the same time they fill their pockets and benefit.The populace is any tom harry rahim ram chang khan or singh
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 02:18 PM Permalink
How unfortunate. You yourself are using the word "still". It is an acceptance of what you have done. They are some who are "still" there despite your best efforts
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 02:06 PM Permalink
NO sir. The British were not born in India. The Pandits and others who have differences with you and you slaughter were always in Kashmir. We also believe in the equality of all religions, yours included
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 01:36 PM Permalink
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RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by John Corniche on Apr 10, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
Oh ... you say Tibetans were forced by CIA where as Kashmiris just felt one day that they don't belong to India ?
Its ok for Kashmiris to be ruled Paki Muslims ? Thats what your point ?
If you read history, King of Kashmir agreed to join India at the time (choice was given to all Kings after 1947). It became a "dispute" after blind Nehru made a fatal mistake !
And due to that tactical mistake of Nehru, a fellow Indian Muslim who wants independent Kashmir !
Being in India, atleast support for ONE INDIA.
If you are not an Indian, then I don't have anything to explain to you.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:57 PM Permalink
no kashmir shoud be ruled by kashmiries. tehre is not amguiety in my ideas. if they want to remain with pak let them remain with, if they want to remain wiith india let them be with or if they want to be free let them be free. who are we to decide what they will do. simply giving some facility will not suppress the voice of freedom. no body likes the cage even if it is made of gold. i support for india but not the cruelty and atrocities. thats the difference between me and you. you support every thing in the name of india but i support only the right thing. there is something called God and we are responsible to Him one and every one has to answer all their thoughts and ideas towards life... even little bitof thought of supporting wrong may lead you to hell fire and little bit of supporting the humanity and freedom right of the people may lead you to heaven. so be just and dontlet yout hatred take over yout thinking power and judging capability. let people of the land decide what they want for their land. if blochistan wants freedom i am with blochistan. i am not hypocrite like you.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 01:29 PM Permalink
If you are not satisfied with your present place, perhaps it would be easy if you left instead of asking others to do so. Your example of your brother not wanting to live with you is laughable. You mean you would leave the house because your brother wants you to?
You appear to be suffering from delusions. Or may be you are saying all this just because your ideas on Kashmir don't sell. Either way, Rest in peace with your impractical ideas.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:34 PM Permalink
dont be a hypocrite again man. you have no idea whatyou are talking about. can you suggest the same to tibbetians that if they are not happy then they must leave tibbet. if they dont why should i. the thing is even if we come to know the truth we still support the lies and wrong and in teh worst case start using power and abuses. why dont you accept the that freedom isthe basic right of every human kind and they must get if they want. yes you will never do this your selfish nature will not allow.
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by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:25 PM Permalink
i dont tink i am a good guy neither i claim this. i always try to improve myself. but i am sure i never support the wrong no matter what. i dont support or oppose someone just because i hate or love someone. for me right is right and wrong is wrong. which i dont find here in may people. i feel freedom is an essential pert of life and it is as important for kashmir as for tibbetians. freedom must be given to all the occupied lands be it kashmir or blochistan or tibbet. yes i am sure i am not hypocrite and it doesnt matter toyou what do i do. i do a goodjob by supporting the righteous people apart from earning my living.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 01:08 PM Permalink
Good idea, perhaps you should preach this also to Pakistan [Balohchistan], China [Tibet, East Turkestan], Nepal [Madhesis], Bangladesh [Chittagong Hill Tracts, Buddhist Tribals fighting for freedom], Srilanka [Eelam]and to Iraq even [the Kurds want seperation]. Tomorrow if some district in India decides that it wants to seperate, I suppose we should allow them according to you.
Going by your dangerous logic, no country can survive today. Even the freest of the free nations, the USA fought a civil war to maintain its unity.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:19 PM Permalink
good. a good idea. nice talking toyou by the way. first of all why are you showing your hypocracy. why there shoud be any country surviving. why? same thing british told that if they give freedom then there will be no british empire. same ideas roman and parsian empire too had during their time of world power maniac. where are they now? human right is the more basic than any country for survival. after all what these coutries are for? for human or human for countries. people should live in peace and the peace comes from within. if you are made slave you will never have peace no matter how much facility you are given. every body has gotrightto remain free and live peacefully if my brother doesnt want to live with me and thinks that he will be better off me, then i dont have right to hold him by force. today i am having power tomorrow he will have th powre and he will get freedom no matter what. and time has proven this time to time. india, russia,america all have gone through the same situation but none of them took the lesson and after getting freedom they started making slaves. shame on us. we have gone through the trauma of british occupatoin and we still support the nation occupying other nation. kashmiris have got right to remain free and they must get it sooner or later so have tibbetians and every one. mere concept of counrty should not stop the human freedom.
