Cauvery river flows in three districts of karnataka (Coorg, Mysore and Mandya) whereas it flows in 9 districts of Tamilnadu namely Dharmapuri,Salem,Erode,Karur,Trichy,Tanjore,Tiruvarur, Nagapattinam,Kumbakonam and merges in Bay of Bengal at Kaveripoompattinam(Pondicherry). The land cultivated with Cauvery in TN than that of Karnataka geographically. Cauvery is not a major river when compared to Krishna in Karnataka(but it is projected in contrary to the fact). Coorg is hilly and has less agricultural land whereas the two districts namely Mysore and Mandya rely on Cauvery for agriculture. But in Tamilnadu, cauvery flows in highly cultivated 8 districts (these lands are irriagted for thousands and thousands of years). In fact, Karikala cholan built Kallanai(stone dam) 1700 years ago across Cauvery(this is the oldest usable dam in the world today). Karnataka is a huge state(bigger than TN) and it just not consists only these 3 districts. Most of the western, Central and North Karnataka people never involve themselves in this dispute(they constitute nearly 80% of the total population). The central and north Karnataka are underdeveloped and only the south Karnataka comprising in and around Bangalore and Mysore are developed due to IT. The central Karnataka though a highly water fed region(thanks to the sprawling western ghats and its rain forests) has not seen development in terms of educational institutions, food management and other social issues.
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
contd, Most of the north central and north east karnataka are dry and it witnessed the highest number of farmer suicides in KN this crop year.
This sorry state of affairs exists because KN politics is dominated by people belonging to southern districts. Thatswhy, time and again they make this cauvery issue a major political drama. This is not the same with Krishna river eventhough a water sharing dispute exists between Karnataka and Andhra over Krishna river.
But in TN, Cauvery if the lifeline and thatswhy if the water is deficient, crores of people are affected. Even then, TN never witnessed farmer suicides as in Maharastra and KN beacuse some of the populist movements by TN govt. TN is highly industrialised and the development is equally spread. During Crisis, they move to places like Tiruppur, Sivakasi, Madurai etc for their livelihood. Only people from dharmapuri and Krishnagiri districts move to Bangalore as it is closer.
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by Varun on Apr 05, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
dear, u dont know about karnataka, u like narrow minded (annachhi) peoples only thing about tamil and tamilnadu, u peoples don't bother about others, think with broad mind
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 06:15 PM Permalink
I am aware of Karnataka as much as Tamilnadu. I post these messages not as a Tamilian or Kannadiga but as a human.
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by Subash Shukla on Apr 05, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
TO CUT THE LONG STORY OF WARRING STATES OF INDIA SHORT - WHAT IS THE OPINION OF PEOPLE HERE ABOUT ESTABLISHING A FACT THAT ALL RIVERS OF INDIA ARE "NATIONAL ASSETS". ALL PROJECTS ON THESE RIVERS ARE "NATIONAL PROJECTS" NO STATES HAVE RIGHTS OVER THE NATIONAL RIVERS AND PROJECTS EXCEPT TO SHARE ITS WATERS AS DECIDED BY A SEPARATE AUTHORITY LIKE "SEBI" OR "CVC". NO SUCH NATIONAL RIVER OR NATIONAL PROJECT CAN BE TAKEN TO SUPREME COURT FOR ADJUDICATION EXCEPT THE SAID "RIVER AUTHORITY". SUCH ISSUES ARE ALWAYS RIGHT FROM EACH STATE'S VIEW AND WRONG ALWAYS FROM THE VIEW OF THE NEIGHBOURING STATE. THIS HAS BEEN CREATING HATRED AND ANIMOSITY BETWEEN STATES AS IF THEY ARE 2 SEPARATE NATIONS. IF INDIA CAN SHARE WATERS OF INDUS AND ITS TRIBUTARIES WITH PAKISTAN AND WATERS AND GANGA AND BRAHMAPUTRA WITH BANGLADESH WHY CANNOT THE INDIAN STATES PEACEFULLY AND HAPPILY THE BENEFITS OF "LOKMATA" RIVERS BETWEEN THEMSELVES? THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING MISSING FROM OUR INDIAN PSYCHE - THIS IS BECAUSE WE GOT OUR FREEDOM "FREE OF COST" WE DID NOT SACRIFICE SUFFICIENTLY TO ACHIEVE OUR INDEPENDENCE. WE JSUT HAD A SITUATION WHERE THE RULERS WHO THOUGH BEING THE WINNER OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR, WERE WITHOUT ANY CAPACITY TO ADMINISTER OR EFFECTIVELY RULE A HUGE COUNTRY LIKE INDIA DUE TO HUGE LOSSES OF THEIR ELITE AND FINANCES AND THE RULERS WERE FACING AN INCREASED PRESSURE FROM THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF THE RULED. IF WE HAD SUFFERED LIKE JAPAN OR GERMANY WE WOULD HAVE BETTER APPRECIATED OUR "FREEDOM".
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by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 05:21 PM Permalink
How many times copy paste the same lines? There is no noble prize for copy past!!!
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
You people never agree despite of giving scientific facts. So there is nothing wrong in emphasizing again and again. I found you abusive statements time and again. I never question you?.
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by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 05:30 PM Permalink
you must be found these facts only from TN history books, not from all india history book.
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by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
Accept the fact and donot argue blindly. As per international law, Rivers is not belongs to orgin only.
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
Wrong, I am a geophysical research Scientist and I am aware of all these facts. I post these messages not as a Tamilian or Kannadiga but as a human. Understood?.
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by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
See , First the burner( Venkata laiah ) told this facts are wrong,and only in tamilnadu. Now the burner question for posting here. Why you kannada peoples obstructing purposefully. How dare you are peoples. this is not for welfare or profit orient. it is for drinking water dude. please co operate it
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
These are open facts and there is no need for everyone to keep them as secret. Evryone should know the geology of the place we live. Only then, we will appreciate, protect various nature's gift and live with sharing tendency as brothers and sisters. "Science without humanity is not only useless but positively dangerous".
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:30 PM Permalink
Morover, karnataka people like you are posting distortive facts in all the forums relating to Hogenakkal issues?. These messages are to enlighten everyone on this subject and to enable to decide whose side is genuiene by themselves. I dont expect a Nobel Prize for this but my intention is to bring these facts to light. Why is your heart burning?.
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by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
Even after you are closing ur eyes and speaking false with more venom. Good work Saigeetha
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by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 07:10 PM Permalink
Facts should be complete. Not incomplete. Cauvery basin in KN consists of Hassan, Tumkur and Bangalore Rural as well. In fact, part of bangalore city is in cauvery basin. Lot of these lands do not have irrigation precisely because TN objects to expansion of irrigation area citing a colonial agreement (1924). TN wants to the imperial power in South India as it wants to enforce colonial agreement on kerala as well. It is the attitude, "whatever is mine is mine and whatever is yours is up for grabs"
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
Mr.Rao, I mentioned those districts in TN and Karnataka which have cauvery for more distance. When we speak in higher numbers, we tend to avoid negligible quantities. But the total distances that cauvery flows in these states given by me are quite correct. That speaks of the complete information regarding this subject though I didn't mention few districts both in TN&KN
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by uttam rao on Apr 06, 2008 12:03 AM Permalink
Madam, your arguement relied on the number three. Hence the clarification. Cauvery is not just in three districts of KN. It is in 8 districts out of 31 districts which is almost 25% of KN distritcs. Existence of other rivers no way minimizes its dependence on Cauvery. Other rivers will have to feed their own basin districts. Probably, you will appreciate KN's compulsion if you know that it is the second most arid state after Rajasthan. You might verify these facts yourself.
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 07, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
Mr.Rao, Kindly dont get carried away by the no. of districts as the total distance a river travels is more meaningful to analyse and with this we can prove, Cauvery certainly doesn't flow in 25% of the total KN's land area (100 miles naturally and 75 miles artificially in KN govt made artificial channel) whereas it flows naturally in 320 miles in TN baring Pondichery. By this, we are quite clear that cauvery flows 1/3rd of its total length in KN and 2/3rd in TN. Karnataka's arid lands are concentrated in the northern and a piece of north east region and not southern and mid Karnataka (barring few patches. Cauvery doesn't come into picture in case of northern and north eastern Karnataka.
