RE:Split
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
Dear Friend, I just went through wikipedia & found some interesting facts. Please go through it. Please do think this information as knowledge enriching.
According to Wikipedia, The spoken Kannada language is said to have separated from its proto-Dravidian source earlier than Tamil and about the same time as Tulu.
The influence of Old Kannada on the language of the Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions from the second century BCE to the sixth century CE has been brought to light through observations made using grammatical and lexical analysis.
Prior to and during the early Christian era, the Kannada-speaking cultural area seems to have had close trade ties with the Greek and Roman empires of the West. Greek dramatists of the fourth century BCE, particularly Euripides and Aristophanes, appear to have been familiar with the Kannada language. This is evident in their usage of Kannada words and phrases in their dramas and skits.[9]
Kannada inscriptions were not only discovered in Karnataka but also quite commonly in Andhra Pradesh,[41] Maharashtra[42][43] and Tamil Nadu.[44][45] Some inscriptions were also found in Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat.[46] As an example, the inscription at Jura 964 CE (Jabalpur), belonging to the reign of Rashtrakuta Krishna III, is regarded as an epigraphical landmark of classical Kannada literary composition, with charming poetic diction in polished Kannada metre.[47] This indicates the spread of the influence of the language over the ages.
RE:Split
by prasanna on Apr 01, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
YOU FOOL!TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE IN INDIA.CHECK OUT ANYWHERE.TAMIL HAS GREAT POETS LIKE THIRUVALUVAR WHO WROTE IN A WELL STRUCTED GRAMMER SOME 1000's and 1000's year back, who speaks kannada compare the number of tamil speakers and kannada..why so much there 27% of tamil population from TN in bangalore..whereas only 32% of kannadika from karanataka in bangalore..hahaha such a same..to my best knowledge nodoby speaks kannada in chennai whereas almost all speak tamil in bangalore..hahhaa
RE:Split
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 11:10 PM Permalink
Relax Brother. Brother your ANGER went up like anything. If I was in front you, GOD knows my status. :). That means you can behave like an animal.
What is your National Language buddy? Can you speak it? Really can you speak it? TN is the only place in India where protests against usage of National Language was carried out. So Sad. Still now no one is thinking of respecting it. Still you are called Indian. My God. What should I say to you? Yes, in Bangalore, less percentage of people speak Kannada. What it shows? Please think. Dont give up. Think brother. Bangalore symbolizes that it is a mini India. What about any single city in TN? It might take another 1000's & 1000's of years to be considered that people of TN respect their National Language. You know what 1000's & 1000's of years back only Sanskrit existed. Tamil around 2200 years back. Thiruvalluvar's period (based on the Thirukkural per se) is between the second century BC and the eighth century AD. Dear Brother, dont forget that Kannada was used to construct Tamil Language. The proof is in front of you, isn't it? Please do accept it. Last thing Brother, India's highest literary honor, the Jnanpith awards, having been conferred seven times upon Kannada writers, which is the highest for any language in India. Cool Down Brother. :)
RE:Split
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 10:19 AM Permalink
Your claim that Kannada wass used to form Tamil only evokes laughter as there are no proofs for it. Tamil is not 2000 years old but certainly a long way before that. Tholkappium, the oldest surving Tamil literature(Indian in records) date between 500 B.C to 200 B.C. It belongs only to the second Sangam and it provides references to a large number of literature existed before that but eventually destroyed. Morover, Adichanallur inscriptions date to 600 B.C where it talks of a land dealing between the landlord and a customer and the kind of trade between them. Earliest Tamil literature like Silappadhikaram also speaks of Kumari Kandam where the first Sangam held and the subsequent flooding by sea. This Kumari kandam is a submerged landmass in Indian Ocean which connected the south India with West Australia. This is proved by the theory of Plate Tectonics. There are much more evidences like this.
Why are we bothered about which was an earlier language.. it was sign language before all the languages and all of them started with the same.
We are all Indians and if the name of the language is to be used for drinking cauvery water then Cauvery water is only for Kodava takk and Kannadigas have to fight alongside tamils to get their share.
By the all these languages are different dialects and pretty much have the same basic words.. it does not matter which was first or second ..its all the variations of the same.
Don't get fooled my politicians on either side of the border ... just use the head and be human :)
RE:Split
by Anand YNI on Apr 02, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
Full Text The Language of the Gods in the World of Men: Sanskrit, Culture, and Power in Premodern... Nemec J Am Acad Relig.2007; 75: 207-211
Please refer to the book and draw your own conclusions.
RE:Split
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 09:43 AM Permalink
Dear Manju, Your claim that sanskrit existed 1000's &1000's of years is baseless. Read more linguistics. There is no proof for it. The oldest known Indian literature in records is a grammer book in Tamil titled Tholkappium dated between 500 B.C and 200 B.C. Even it belongs to the second sangam and it points the existance of several literary works belonging to first Sangam & Second Sangam like Agasthiyam. These scriptures existed before Tholkappium were destroyed due to floods & other natural calamities. The same Wikipedia says that 55% of all the stone inscriptions found in India are in Tamil. The first sanskrit inscriptions found in India belong to 160 A.D whereas the Adichanallur inscriptions date back to 600 B.C to 500 B.C. Some of the second Sangam literature takes of Kadalkol(Tsunami) destroying Poompuhar which is not recorded in other literature.
The proto-dravidian language that you are mentioning is nothing but proto Tamil and the difference between these two is very limited as the language has not changed much during the course of time due to its independent evolution. Wiki says the first inscriptions in kannada date to 230 B.C. The earliest kannada is free of Sanskrit as Sanskrit was evolving during this time. Please dont do cut and paste, analyse the facts and post it. There are umpteen number of evidence to prove the antiquity of Tamil. I am ready for a constructive debate on this but not in this forum.
RE:RE:Split
by Rajesh on Apr 05, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
Mr. Manju dont check our national patriotism....we love our language and we are not against any language... Our culture needs an individual identity as what France or Germany has.. for our global communications we learn English
Tamil Nadu has always been an asset for India we stand as an example of who to treat people of other language... Had at any point in time u come across in news paper stating tamils beating telugus or mallus in chennai.. we invite every one and we feel they should take part of TN success stories
RE:Split
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
Dear Manju, The earlier form of Kannada was a product of Proto-Tamil and Prakrit but not certainly sanskrit. Morover, The Brahmi script that Kannada uses is certainly a form of Tamil Brahmi which evolved from "Vettazhuthu". Tholkappium is based on this "Vettazhuthu". sanskrit borrows the grammer from Prakrit text of Panini. So dont be carried by false claims. You are more closer to Tamil than to Sanskrit.
RE:RE:Split
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
Why an language gets famous, its because of it's people who present it in a good way which indicates the nature of people. That's why lots & lots of people are coming to Karnataka. That's show the nature of Kannadigas. Please do think on this rather simply using your english power on something else.
