the youth say they want a casteless society. where did the caste system spring from. the people should analyse it. how do u negate the caste system? negation means making the so called lower castes feel that they are equals. the north indians should emulate the movement of periyar,annadurai and karunanidhi in their societies. if there is unjustness in religion,it should be attacked.
RE:casteless society
by arvind rb on Sep 25, 2007 07:42 PM Permalink
Dear Dinesh , I Fully support you . though I am a bhramin ....I have no problem with reservations .... but give it to people who deserve it not to all and that too once in life time... 60 years we have reservations what did we achive .... in 60 years have we passed on the benefit to poor people.... Give free education ... give people who have no means sclorships use crores and crores of Tax money for that ... not to fill ministers coffers.... if mayawati has a son does he require reservation .... does it appeal to your rational mind....In globalization we need people who are competeing with the world ... reservations wont help you there....and all govts have failed there ...they have used resevations for there vote bank polotics and it defeats the very purpose of reservation ... there are only two classes and castes today rich and poor ... give reservation to poor and you shalll see the change
RE:RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
arvind,60 years is nothing when u r trying to effect a casteless and classless society. mayawatis son will not qualify for reservation. u will understand that if u take the time to go through this link and the website.
RE:casteless society
by weare on Sep 25, 2007 09:07 PM Permalink
hi dinesh i talkd to a dravidian today that is there cast system in dravidians? he said yes. there is caste system inside dravidians, so what are u doing about this to eliminate?
RE:casteless society
by cynic on Sep 25, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
not just caste system. Almost everybody in TN believes in superstition. And there is still huge caste discrimination practised in TN. Some castes are portrayed as prone to violence and this is portrayed in many movies.
RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
reservation is to empower the oppressed people. the problem with the youth is that they go by assumptions instead of by facts. please visit this site to learn about the creamy layer criteria.
RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
reservation should continue for 50 generations or even 500 generations,till the objectives are met. it is hinduism that will be strengthened by uplifting the oppressed classes. the ncbc has evolved criteria for the creamy layer which are being implemented. u can update urself with the facts at this site.
RE:casteless society
by siddhuism on Sep 25, 2007 08:01 PM Permalink
Hey, What are those "objectives"? and who set them? And do you think the criteria for setting such objecttives was un-biased? It is foremost important to remove the reservation system- created for vote-bak politics for a casteless system.
RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 08:11 PM Permalink
siddhuism,update urself at this site.
http://ncbc.nic.in/html/ncbc.html
be informed,dont make assumptions. the educated youth should consider the facts and proceed from there.they should correct any flaws they find. without a consideration of the facts,the education is wasted.
RE:RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
the objectives have not been met. it will continue until they are met. democratically elected governments are making the decisions,not military dictatorships.
RE:RE:RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
the ncbc conducts hearings before deciding whether a caste should be added or deleted from a list. the problem with the youth is that they go by assumptions instead of by facts. see this site for the facts about how the ncbc adds or deletes a caste from a list.
RE:casteless society
by Parrupu Dasan on Sep 25, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
The plain truth is each and every caste excluding Brahmins(Iyer & Iyengar)(2-3 % of population)and may be some very small communities (1% of population)are declared BACKWARD(BC), MOST BACKWARD(MBC) ,SC & ST.
So you see with 97 % people declaring themselves BACKWARD
Also to rub the salt on the wound - the BC/MBC/SC/ST will get first preference in the General quota of 31 %.what this means is if a BC gets 95% and Brahmin gets 95% the BC candidate will get the seat in the General quota itself.
For your information BC includes rich Politicians (Kamaraj-Congress,Karunanidhi-DMK,Ramadoss-PMK) Landlords (G.K.Moopannar), Industrialists , Bankers Agriculturists
So these people who have never suffered any discrimination ever but shamelessly declare themselves BACKWARD to claim benefit of Reservation.
These are true in Karnataka also where the dominant land holding class Vokkaligas & Lingayats have declared themselves BACKWARD .
When they justify Resevation because these BACKWARD people have suffered for 1000 years we want proof of the suffering.These people are so rich and powerful how can someone really say they have been suffering for 1000 years
RE:casteless society
by cynic on Sep 25, 2007 09:01 PM Permalink
thats a good way to progress, make everybody backward unless he/she is a politicians or top bureaucrats son.
RE:casteless society
by Gururaj S on Sep 25, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
I have a few thoughts to share. 1. All reservations should be based on economic criteria. There shall be no reservation based on caste or religion. 2. Education upto Class 12 should be compulsory, and FREE for all those who economically weaker section irrespective of their caste or religion. 3. There has to be a statutory limit on the fees charged by the schools. The schools should be audited and if they are found to charge donation in the name any organization or trust, the management should be imprisoned and the school management taken over and handed over to a body of parents to run the school. 4. No family which enjoys reservation for one generation should be allowed to exploit reservation for the next generation. Assumption is that they would have overcome the limitation of lack of education or employment opportunity by then. 4. All those who produce fake certificates to get reservation should be permanently barred from using any reservation in future. Any government officer found issuing such certificates should be dismissed from service and all their employment benefits withdrawn.
ALL THE ABOVE ARE IMPLEMENTABLE WITHIN THE PRESENT SYSTEM. ALL WE NEED IS A DETERMINATION AT THE EXECUTIVE AND JUDICIAL LEVEL TO HELP THOSE WHO REALLY DESERVE. FOR THIS THE SOCIETY MUST STAND UP AND COMMITT TO SHARE AND USE RESOURCES JUDICIOUSLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL.
RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 08:33 PM Permalink
the existing system of reservation is functioning well. it has evolved over the years. the youth should participate in democracy and strive to correct the flaws that might have crept into the system. the youth should participate in democracy. gururaj,these are the criteria that determine the creamy layer at present.
RE:casteless society
by K K on Sep 25, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
the problem is the people who are enjoying the benefits of discrimination aka reservation are the mp and mla's today so how can u expect jsutice from them the only place where these scums have not penentrated is the judiciary so they attack the judiciary - karunai say "how can 2 or 3 people sit and judge 97% backward people
there is proverb " u cannot wake a person pretending to be asleep" these backward people are "pretending to be asleep(backward)" so they will continue to be "asleep(Backward)" for another 10000 years !!!
RE:casteless society
by Bharathi on Sep 25, 2007 08:55 PM Permalink
Mr Dinesh You say fascists like Periyar, DMK etc are trying for a casteless society. then did stalin and other children of wooly headed DMK hitler marry from different caste/religion??
RE:casteless society
by cynic on Sep 25, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
Bharathi, Stalin is a criminal, he is not even a good human being. He recently killed 3 people and he has carried out many such killings in the past.
RE:casteless society
by Alexander on Sep 25, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
i agree completely with Gururaj... dinesh is an ass... how can you say that the existing system is functioning well and in the same breath say that it should exist for 50 generations?
with ppl like that, i'm not surprised that india hasnt grown at all for the last 60 years
RE:RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
parrupu dasan,u r mistaken when u state that there is preferential treatment in the open competition. it is solely based on the marks. infact ,the opposite is true,if u read this article u will realise the truth.
RE:casteless society
by Parrupu Dasan on Sep 25, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
u r raising a irrelevant topic. in tamilnadu govt 99% of the people belong to "backward category" and the selection process is 100% in their hands so what they r doing is they will give the preference for the "backward' canditate if he qualifies in the "open competition' u r giving a link which is realted to upsc in delhi which is totally irrelevant in tamilnadu.
RE:casteless society
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
if what u r telling is true,u can file a PIL in a court. IF THERE IS SOME BASIS,THE LAW WILL WILL GIVE U RELIEF. but i find it hard to believe it,because tamilnadu is an extremely well administered state. there was an appeal to include chettiars in the backward list,but it was rejected by the ncbc. 85 % of the people have reservation,not 99 %.
