Untouchability, Child Marriage, Sati, no-entry to temple for lower castes, slavery and sexual abuse of lower caste ladies in the disguise of servant maids, denying education to lower castes, denying housing and land reforms to lower castes, usurping all the jobs in the organised sector, usurping all the seats in the educational institutes, asking the other castes to do their traditional jobs - meaning - a barber's son to be a barber etc, if a non-brahmin goes to Kanchipuram Sankara mutt - he is treated as pariah, in some temples males are asked to remove shirts just to identify whether they have "sacred threads" to identify brahmins and non-brahmins ....and so on and on ......
These are the some of the activities done by the so called upper caste Hindus (read Brahmins and nairs) before Periyar, Anna and Karunanidhi showed them their place. Now they are shouting using MK's remark on Ram as a disguise .....shout shout ....
This message is being reported for ABUSE repeatedly....Guess the level of tolerance has gone down considerably
If BJP is indulging in violence then they don`t have any problem with rulers. If the same thing given to them then they are having problem. Tn is our state all the BJP and sangh parivar should function as GULAMS - Slaves. Okay. It is not possible to do anything BJP in Tamilnadu. If vedanti is having guts ask him to come to Tamilnadu.All exteremist hindu sangh parivars are cowards. Don`t try to mimick brave fatwas of other religions. Beca
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by mudamosi on Sep 24, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Now my dear, whatever you said was practised by all *caste* hindus, not just the brahmins. Karunanidhi himself has 3 wives and what happened in paapapatti and keeripatti is an outstanding example of this. If you treat someone below you in the caste order badly, how can you expect someone who is above you to treat you well? No, i am not giving the brahmins a clean chit nor am i condoning the threat to Karunanidhi. What Vedanti did was wrong. But to blame them exclusively for everything is wrong. A majority of the "backward castes" in TN weren't backward at all a few hundred years back. The temples were owned not by brahmins but by the patron king. Why didn't they let the lower castes in to the temple? If as per your claim education was exclusive to brahmins, then, the rest should have been illiterates. Is this the case? As for organised sector, it came in to being only after the British arrived. 200-300 yrs ago a fairly recent event. Recently supreme court concluded that there is no evidence to the claim that brahmins oppressed all others in TN. I am appealing to your logic. Just think. "Yepporul yaar yaar vaai kaetpinum, apporul mei porul kaanbadhu arivu".
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by New face on Sep 24, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
Yes. Yes. We also witnessed Vandalising of Ganesh Statues in Kondithope in Chennai by DMK Goondas / Cadres.
We witnessed stoppage of Vinayaga Chathurthi Procession in Ooty by Christains ably aided by DMK Hooligans.
We also witnessed attack made all over tamilnadu by DMK Goondas on party's office and their Head Office in Chennai being attacked in the presence of Ministers and police unable to control the Goodas.
All this completed on One Single day. That too not long time back, just yesterday - a Black Day for Hindus of Tamilnadu - 23.09.07.
Arey Yaar!!!! Give way. His Highness Karunanidhi is coming - Protector of poor people.
Wow!!!! What a beautiful ruler we have for Tamilnadu. Tamil Kudinmagan(Drunkard).
RE:RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by New face on Sep 24, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
He is not the Protector of the Poor. He is just a Hindu hater.
Antanio Manio Sonia - A perfect Christian and His Highness Karunanidhi - a Hindu Hater at the Helm of Affairs, what else can be expected.
Poor Tamil Hindus. Wait. Election time is nearing. Give him the treat which he is expecting. Issuing a Fatwa is not going to solve the issue.
Make him take rest at his home as was done by MGR previously.
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by sridhar gorantla on Sep 24, 2007 01:18 PM Permalink
WHAT IF NORTH INDIANS ALSO SAY THAT HOW CAN KARUNANIDHI COME TO DELHI OR HIS PARTY COME TO DELHI? Violence or Hurting others feeling sshould not be the way to go forward brohter. So, DONOT COPY AND PASTE SOMEONE ELSE's QUESTIONS AS YOURS AND FUEL MORE HATRED AMONG PEOPLE IN THE FORUMS.
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by king on Sep 24, 2007 01:21 PM Permalink
Sorry brother sridhar. I am not gettig right replies from insane people that`s why idid it. Telling the truth any form is not a crime. only thing truth shoud reach people
RE:RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by aish on Sep 24, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
good reply to this psychopath.
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by sridhar sirisinagandla on Sep 24, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
are you allowing the other caste(read non brahmins and nairs) people and offering any thing to them in your house? are you eating along with them in the same plate? Hurting the sentiments of one religion is not good from a seasoned politician? What MK said is totally uncalled for and is not in the best interst of the nation.If what he said is correct, then why should they change the affidavit?
Remember TN is in India and all Indians are free to come & go to/from Chennai whenever they want.Why should the BJP and sangh parivar should function as GULAMS - Slaves ? Remember slavery was banned long time ago and you are not a monarch no longer.
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by mudamosi on Sep 24, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
well, let me turn the question on its head. Do you know two tumbler system is still in practice in Tamilnadu? Not just the brahmins, everyone else ( read non-brahmins) practise this. So to blame one sect alone is not going to do any good!
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by aish on Sep 24, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
u r luking very frustrate.either u r still unemployed or still immature.U r like frog in pond.grow up n know something about India outside Tamilnadu.really silly funny man.huh
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by Indian Indian on Sep 24, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
Your message is reported for abuse, because it is an abuse to use this board for spreading falsehood...Your statement "if a non-brahmin goes to Kanchipuram Sankara mutt - he is treated as pariah" is TOTALLY WRONG. I am a non-brahmin myself and during my visits to the Sankara Mutt in the past, I have not seen non-brahmins feeling anything of this sort. Secondly, your statement "in some temples males are asked to remove shirts just to identify whether they have "sacred threads" to identify brahmins and non-brahmins" is LAUGHABLE...BECAUSE, YOU HAVE DELIBERATELY OMITTED SAYING THAT ALL SUCH PEOPLE AFTER REMOVAL FO THE SHIRT ARE LET IN.....IT IS NOT THAT PEOPLE WITH THE SACRED THREAD ARE LET IN, AND THE REST ARE ASKED TO GO OUT! REMOVAL OF THE SHIRT IS A CUSTOM TO SHOW RESPECT TO THE SANCTITY OF THE PLACE...
So, don't abuse the board. I have not commented about Sati, etc., which are the ills in our society...just as every other society keeps trying to solve their ills, we have to keep trying to solve our ills, and action is certainly being taken on all the fronts you have mentioned, wherever it is appropriate..
Now, things are getting diverted...The real issue is KARUNANDIDHI'S HATRED TOWARDS HINDUISM...BAALU'S SIMILAR HATRED COMING OUT WITH HIS ADAMANCY TO DESTROY THE RAMAR SETHU, MERELY BECAUSE HINDUS REVERE IT...HE IS MORE INTERESTED IN DESTROYING THE SETHU, RATHER THAN DOING THE SETHUSAMUDRAM PROJECT...OTHERWISE, WHY WOULD HE REJECT ALL OTHER ALIGNMENTS?
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by Chandramouleeswaran Baskaran on Sep 24, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
Dear Sir, Please understand facts before you say anything. The person who abolished Sati and held a nation wide movement was Raja Rammohan Roy, an upper caste. Again in Tamil Nadu agreed that the situation was bad once but after Periyar things improved a lot and its been for the last 60-70 years. But still now you see that there are atrocities in some districts in and around Madurai. And who is responsible for that ?. Is it the Brahmins?. If the Brahmins are so oppressive how come that the current big political leaders and businessmen in TN are not brahmins?. The people who inflict these atrocities are the dominant community in those areas who are not Brahmins. But they can only be condoned by the political establishment because they are big majority in the vote bank arithmetic. Please dont mislead with the propaganda that is 50 years old. Please step in TN to find out how many of the goverment servants are Brahmins. They will hardly be 5%. Please understand that the Brahmins are such an impotent minority that they can be trampled upon on every issue in TN with impunity. Try doing this to the religious minorities. You cant just attribute every single problem to the Brahmins. We have peacefully coexisted with the worst reverse discrimination for more than 30 years. How many castes other than Brahmins are forward in TN, you count them. What else do you expect Brahmins to do, we are not landlords or dynastic businessmen, we can only do what comes to us and that it study.
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
hats off to u mr king
RE:RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by king on Sep 24, 2007 01:22 PM Permalink
Thank you subramanian, I think you are from pondicherry
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
aamaam. neenga madurai pakkama? indha naigalukku munnadi evvalau kaththinaalum oru use-um illai. what's ur opinion?
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by king on Sep 24, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
Kathiravana pathu naai korach naaiku thanne vai valikum. Nan Salem district
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by deep dar on Sep 24, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
Hi csoupramanien, u didn't respond to my comments about Tamilians!
RE:King Pandiya from Salem District : hey reformer anser for all this things, If not you are HINDU coward
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 02:52 PM Permalink
DEAR divisive forces hinduism is not only your household thing. before behaving like that read VIVEKANANDA, AUROBINDO, PERIYAR EVR, BHARATI, ADISANKARA AND OUR FOUR VEDAS RIK, YASUR, SAMA AND ADHARVANA. No written statement of what hinduism is? how it is? all those teachings are about welfare of the society to live in harmony unlike spreading hatredness. but this very sad that our own religion and charactors of our old stories are taken into politics to make those great epics shame? Tamil community will not welcome u. u r not not invited here. if u continue to behave like this, oneday the so called hindus will turn against u. history teach the same. CAUTION
