Somebody putting the messages as abuse. I think only abusive language can be used in rediff it looks like.
Anyway, Thambi anne, I am a Hindu. By definition, Hindu is someone who believes that there are multiple ways in which one can reach god or salvation. In my village, I will pray to Esakiyamman. I will go to Siva temple also. I will go to Krishna temple also in city.
It does not matter which god or which path you take to attain salvation as far as we dont hurt others.
Ok Ram is dark so how come he is aryan. Acoording to definition of Max Mueller, he shud be a dravidian. So did aryans later added Rama as black so that they can worship a black god.
RE:RE:To Thambi
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 05:16 AM Permalink
Do we prefer black or white in tamilnadu? Why be a hypocrite and balme north indians. Look at ourselves first. Whole world is like that.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:34 AM Permalink
not the same reason as why you are being a slave of your own slavish insecurities. You know what, it just occured to me. You are a "mental shudra", aren't you ? Does this help with your identity crisis ?
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
Jay, Keep all your sanskrit caste philosphies with you. we don't need it and there is no need for you to justify that to us. we already said 'no thanks' to your caste system and you are trying to explain that to us.
We have better philosphies in our Tamil literatures Thirukkural and Aathi soodi.
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
your words come from the belief in caste system. we will break the so called monkey made bridge. just watch
RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:57 AM Permalink
you don't understand the caste system. Forget what the selfish brahmins had everyone practising. Ok ? Thats not real caste system. It's adulterated by the selfish desires of exploitation and greedyness, thoughtlessness and cruelty of majority of upper class people.
I am talking about real caste system. The way it's been described in the vedanta and upanishads. Every man has to go through all the castes to reach the highest when he attains spiritual oneness with GOD. this was the brahmana stage. one who has become one with the BRAHMAND ( universe) is a Brahman. We all are on our way . Try to understand this. By the way I am not belonging to any caste. The indian is my brother and Hindu is my religion. That's all I know. If anyone comes in the way of my country or religion, I wont spare them whether they are brahmanas, kshatiryas, vaisyas and shudras. period. understand you punks ? don't mess with the soldier of Sanatana Dharma.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:47 AM Permalink
As for me, I am proud to say that I am a Shudra in my body and mind. I am proud of that and refuse to become victimized by my own mind. I will continue to fight and strive to better myself, but I will still be glad to die as one also. No problem here. You got it, Thambi my dear misguided Thambi ?
RE:To Thambi
by Kumar on Sep 22, 2007 06:08 AM Permalink
Asai thanbi is convetred christn may be fundded by some anti natinal movemnets to creat tension in society... DOnt worry... ram/ and krish will take care these useless nonsense...
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:49 AM Permalink
Jay, what is there to be ashamed? AsaiThamby is arguing abt freedom of speech in a Democratic country. he is promoting the value of reasoning. why should there be discrimination in the name of caste?
Karunanidhi asked Advani to debate him on Ram topic. Let the leaders do it and let us watch.
Why is there a death treat? why were Ram Bakthas burning 2 innocents alive? please try to be reasonable guys or change our political system from democracy to dictatorship.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:32 AM Permalink
sowhat, I had a feeling that you seemed to be a little more reasonable. But you must be ashamed of yourself for playing second fiddle to this fool thambi who obviously needs some serious psychiatric help.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:15 AM Permalink
Kumar, Is this the last weapon of Ram Bhakthas? Doesn't hit anyone though because it doesn't have any meaning.
RE:RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:24 AM Permalink
well said Brother. This thamby is a real nut job trying to divide our religion and country by his senseless insecurities.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:14 AM Permalink
Ram is Aryan because it said so in Ramayan. His only duty as Kshatriya is to protect Brahmins and cows and to spread polital caste system.
What is Lord Muruga's caste? can you tell me?
Do you have any Tamil or Dravidian literature that promotes so much abt caste? no. because dravidian system was based on 'philosophy of reasoning' whereas Aryan system was all about Varna system.
RE:To Thambi
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
What are you talking about?
In Ramayana, when Ram was going on vanavaas. He was helped by a classmate in the boat. He was a tribal king.
Brahmin by defnition is somebody who has realized "Brahman", Oneness or god. Nowhere in any scripture is it written that caste is by birth. In gita, it is clearly written guna(closest english meaning is character) determines the basis for caste division.
RE:RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
you idiot thambi, listen. There are 2 aspects. The SHRUTI and the SMRITI. The former is immutable. If you are an ape walking on 2 legs in any corner of this earth ( Which I have serious aspersions in your case) then this body of text of universal principles applies to you. This is common to all Hindus and this says what the meaning of Brahmana etc.. is. The other aspect called SHRUTI is more relevant on the social scene and can and must be modified from time to time based on newly emerging parameters etc.. Here you will find a mention of caste system that was interpreted as heriditary because of the selfish ness of the few in the upper castes. And they exploited the people of lower castes. That's part of human nauture for exploitation, selfishness, personal comfort at the expense of fellow human beings.
Try to get a life and exercise the part of your head that badly requires some discrimination.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:10 AM Permalink
Dear lowlife Thambi, It seems you have done a fair bit of reading yourself when it suits you while reviling others like me. I have a feeling that you might have been descendent of some upper caste brahmins who got disgracefully ostracised by the community and thus ended up with no caste and that might explain this venomous ire on your part. Put to rest all speculation and tell us all how right I am.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:25 AM Permalink
let's see the number of times the word 'racist' was used in this discussion and we will see who among is obsessed with racial slavishness.
thamby = 5 krishnan = 0
hahaha , you fool. you give yourself away so easily. You are not fit for any debates. Go back to TN and do a manual dharna. That will fit your mental temperament better.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
So, if there is lecture on Racism and when the lecturer says the word 'Racist', he becomes racist. That's what u say Mr.Jay? Good logic.
What can we expect from people who believe in monkey made bridge?
RE:RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:23 AM Permalink
That's what they are... All these claim abt Ram bridge is to implement caste based political system and to discrimate the poor people as low caste, abuse their work so that they can sit in their home like a lazy ass.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:57 AM Permalink
Keep the Shruti and Smriti sanskrit beliefs with you...
We have better philosophies in our Thirukural. The problem with you guys is trying to teach us what to do? sorry, we don't need your help. We know how to evolve and prosper. Keep the aryan belief in Aryan land. if you want the monkey made bridge, take it with you.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
So, what is the Varna system promoted in Ramayan? Why was a great warrior like Karna was disrespected as Sudra in all Mahabarath?
RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
every age has its ills. The present age has no ills ? Other countries have no social inequalities ? Is there any time or clime which didn't have some form of social ills, inequlaities, differences, exploitation..
Common now try and stretch that pea brain of yours. I know its hard.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
kshatriya always protects Brahmana ( one who is a seeker of Brahman or the resplendent self) because a Hero always protects and reveres the holy sages and rishis who spend their lives in austerity and solitude and do the greatest good by guiding the rest of humanity and by living an exemplary life of sacrifice.
That's the meaning of Kshatriya protecting a Brahmana. Any Hindu who has a vira's blood in him is a Kshatriya. And any hindu who is a renouncer of worldly desires and sacrificer of personal comforts for the greater good of others is a Brahmana.
Do you get it now ? It has nothing to do with the selfish politics of insecurity played by low life byproducts like you in TN.
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:33 AM Permalink
Buddha was the best know Enlighten one of India. He did not need no protector. Enlighten one don't need protection and they fear nothing. Truth doesn't need protection. That itself say the whole Brahmin/Kshatriya tandem is to fool poor people and impose thier will. won't happen anymore.
