the day majority muslims are able to condemn the bad elements in their society, will be the beginning of their rise.
i am neither a hindu nor a muslim, but have lived in a muslim majority area and have seen that any moderate voice that even slightly differs from conventional beliefs (and i do not mean their religious basics) of a muslim society is severely suppressed.
i do not know what may be able to change it, but, i have seen dissent very much difficult to express among muslims by muslims.
i also do not mean that hindus are progressive, but at least you can see people challenging the conventional beliefs if they are not logical.
the stranglehold of conventional stupidity is still there, but, hindu society has moved ahead after independence, but muslim society has not been able to keep pace.
RE:Openness is the answer
by balaord on Sep 18, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
How much history you know? Quran is hampering Muslim's progress? This simply shows you are empty headed and ignorant
An artcile written by Keith devlin, who is the current executive director of standford mathematical society(which has lots of nobel laureates) and a popular author of great many research books says "Islam kickstarted science" in Guardian newspaper of UK http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,786006,00.html
unsurprisingly the "scholors" of rediff hold a different view..
Argue with facts!!Just because you guys were brainwashed about Islam, you cant deny histroy. Read the link and then argue.. http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,786006,00.html
RE:Openness is the answer
by shilpa rao on Sep 18, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
Balaord....you just feel happy... that Quran will lead all muslims towards progress.... quran will teach muslims.... (1) Right way of killing i.e Hallal (2) Insulting womens by marrying own sisters (3) Advise not to read and believe any science (4) Live like mad person cutting mostache and keeping beard.......blah,blah,blah...Yes I too wish the current crisis of Muslims will soon be over by thier own willing and don't blame / push your ignorance or stupidity as God Willing
RE:RE:Openness is the answer
by balaord on Sep 18, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
May be you know better tha Keith devlin about History and Mathematics Have u seen the views of HP CEO , a link from HP site itself You are a empty headed moron and your only knowledge is hearsay or the vernacular daily's article on Muslims and Islam.
RE:Openness is the answer
by Tough on Sep 18, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
Hello Balaord,
U mean U know history well and claim there wasn't science before 1400 yrs when a Bedaoin cult started in deserts of Arabia?
How many Noble laureates Entire Muslim Ummah could produce yet??? and in science???? Matter is not how much Holy Quran is good , matter is how good are brethern are? who constitute 1/5 th of world population?
Dear, Do you approve that some blood thirsty terrorists are asking to either convert to islam or get killed???? Is this rational to claim that what you think is right and others belief have no value?????
Dear if we close eyes, doesn't mean world is dark??
RE:Openness is the answer
by balaord on Sep 18, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
Nobel prize is here only for the last hundred years Muslsim world is in crisis for the last 100 hundreds , direct result of western colonoisation. Do you think, Muslims are idiots but managed to rule Spain for 1000 years, India for 800 years and so on? If we are idots,then what about the subjects they ruled? see another link about islamic spain in History channel
RE:Openness is the answer
by Tough on Sep 18, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
Perhaps u dint heard about Nalanda & Taxila???
U dint read what Fahyan & Huensaang wrote about Vedic culture? U could not read "arthshashtra" written by 'Chamnakya' some 2300 yrs back??/
U could not read How vedic culture spread all around killing none, healing all!! Go to fareast still U'll find vedic Heroes! Ohhh U have been barred to read anything else other than a Holy book?
Bytheway U dont know how many Indians(hindus) got Noble prizes, its 13...go n check!!!
RE:RE:Openness is the answer
by Tough on Sep 18, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
Balaord, You want me to tell you how many Indian scientists engineers working in NASA, IBM, Microsoft n so on.........!!! ( Now you tell me is it because they read Holy Quran??? No, none of them them this...they read modern science and later on found Gita is worth reading too...but never cried like you do....!!
RE:RE:RE:Openness is the answer
by Tough on Sep 18, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
this world has become A LESSER safe place for all of us. ya ya I agree America is one reason. But think rationally is america alone responsible?
a guy of 14-15 yrs becoming suicide bomber!!!! My God!!!! Isn't it ideologocal failure??
