When I approached Mr. PN Oak for autograph 23 years back, he simply wrote: "The history of the whole world has to be re-written". This is true even today.. What we read today about the history is all edited by westeners to suit their interpretations and convenience. Ancient Indian temples have been destroyed by Mughals. All the forts in Maharashtra have been destroyed by Britishers since they do not want the freedom fighters to use them. When such mighty evidence can be destroyed, how can one expect that some other form of evidence in terms of papers, etc. will remain intact for milleniums for the period when perhaps there no paper itself!
Simple logis tells that the more antient /old is something, it will be more difficult to proove since there is no eye witness. How far back we can go, there is a limitation.. No living person today has seen Ram, Prophet Mohamed, Buddha or Crist! Still we believe that they existed! Only hypocrats can say that documents proove something 2000 years back and not beyond that. Past is only one category, 100 years and 1000 years needs to be treated the same way. We need to be strong enough to believe in what is right, without any bias and compulsions from the west.
So many rooms and staircases in TajMahal are closed even today, We hahve no guts to face the truth. Why blame Sonia & the world for our lethargy? Dont know whether and when we wake up..
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by Albert on Sep 22, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Dear Pande, I am christian and the there was a TV show showed on a subject most christians value the most is Celibacy of Christ. There were researcher from all over rip apart the life of christ. as they were suspecting the resurection and marriage to Magdalene. I still see nothing wrong in finding a correct history and unbiased truth. If the truth is a negative one I'm still going to follow him FOR HIS TEACHINGS alone. Those days life and its circumstances one has to live his life accordingly. But when somebody talksabout hinduism you are never been tollerent to listen what he say. So for we believe everything ASI said Today you are angry with a hindu researcer who did his job he thought to be right. Why don't you put your fanatism away and discuss the matter in a civilised matter. Thank you
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by n raju on Sep 22, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
dear avinash sharma,
conversion is misinterpreted today.
christians believe that God created this universe and everything in it. But the people who call or regard themselves wise ... going on creating new gods.
I will not be surprised to see Sunita Williams depicted as goddess during the forth coming puja festival celebration ... in some cities of our country.
I admire the artistic work. I cannot accept everything created by the human hand as god ...
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by k kkk on Sep 24, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
u people are even now not allowing fellow hindus into temples ,u have no right to talk abt tolrence
In namakkal,tamilnadu Sc/ST people were not allowed into one temple (Throupathi amman)The case is still in Madras high court and the small temple is been closed. ha ha ha
u will close the temple but wont allow ur fellow hindus to enter .
RE:RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by k kkk on Sep 24, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
u belive that shiva is not shemale? krishna is not play boy? ganesh is not dirty ball? maharbarat is not teaching incest? sun did not give birth to on baby?
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by Naresh Mankad on Sep 22, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
"Albert Pinto ko Gussa Kyon ata hai?" Because his mind is full of hatred.
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by Albert on Sep 24, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Never and nevr Naresh my friend Iam a man want my son to have a future withot any of these craps(blood thirst) teaches today It is a concern of a peace loving Indian
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by srinivas krishnamurthy on Sep 22, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Congrats for ur tolerance and scientific temper. What happened to those tempers when de vinci was banned. Why can't u reject christianity when it is unscientific to believe Mother mary remained virgin, or Jesus came back on easter sunday. Coming to ASI findings, hats off to those brains discovering that it is not man made which is 17.5 lac years old estimated by NASA. Sonoa and her ASI agents may not be able to exactly locate their own place of birth who are in their 50's but they can exactly predict what happened 17.5 lac years back. I think science has to be redefined to suit the hypocrites like Karuna and Sonia. Above all, for great scientific people like secularists, christian communalists in atheist disguises, only hinduism should be scrutinized for its beliefs but other faiths are very genuine and need to be promoted. The same scientists went to another apostle of truth Mr. Benny hinn to seek his divine blessings. Come on show guts if you want to be deceiving. Uncover ur true face and let the people decide.
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by Albert on Sep 22, 2007 03:25 PM Permalink
To your kind attention our community converted into chrisianity because of the brahmins don't allow our ancester to temples and once a ruling community reduced to fight for entry into temples our forefathers built, Today you can see sizable number of hindus from our community who stayed there even though the're wanted there. So we are converted to keep our pride, at a time when hindu gods don't want us. So we are legitimate son of soil and I don't think we live at your mercy
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by Albert on Sep 22, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
Hi Sharma, Its going to be a never ending debate as both up have strong view on our own. But let me tell you being more violent and arrogant it will lead to misunderstanding on your community and alienate from the main stream. I would like to give you an example In Tn the Kanchi swamy got arrested by JJ and not a single event of opposition in the state as the brahmins were so arrogant in Tamil nadu and they oppressed them with the help of whoever in Power. They never had a friendly relations instead they had so much of grudge against the BCs. Recently there were six people murdered ( three Hinus Three muslims ) The fight started by hindus After the incident every polotical party appealed for peace. Only L ganesan the BJP chief went there and cried foul as it was a religiously motivated In reality it is a war between two armed gang Rowdies, This is the calibre of the BJp leader and judge for your self. Thank you Bye
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by The Truth on Sep 24, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Valmiki himself says Ram is a drunkard, Karunanidi challenged Advani to have open debate on this subject, Why dint Advani accept the challenge?
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by Albert on Sep 22, 2007 03:43 PM Permalink
To your kind attention our community converted into chrisianity because of the brahmins don't allow our ancester to temples and once a ruling community reduced to fight for entry into temples our forefathers built, Today you can see sizable number of hindus from our community who stayed there even though the're unwanted guest there. So we are converted to keep our pride, at a time when hindu gods don't want us. So we are legitimate son of soil and I don't think we live at your mercy
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by SRI KUMAR on Sep 22, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
Hi Albert,
Your perceptions are totally wrong. Okay, our forefathers committed a mistake but now everything is smooth, what prevents you come back to Hindu fold. It shows, how you are brain-washed.
Secondly, if no Hindus came forward to support Kanchi Swamiji, we were totally confused on this episode and we didn't to fight b'coz we believe in judiciary. If he is wrong, then he will face. Do you think, if a religious leader from X and Y is arrested, will X and Y people keep quite? If we are arrogant, things would have been different as Avinash said.
About Tenkasi, you have no correct info, its a rivalry going on for few years. Better go and verify the facts and write, I will accept the truth.
What you mean by Hindu Gods restricted your entry to temples? Don't think, it is childish remarks? We may differ with each other, NOT the Almighty.
I would like to quote from Bible. " O God, pls forgive them b'coz they are ignorant and they don't know, what they did"
Remember, the recent incident in Heathrow, UK, a Hindu lady was dismissed, for wearing a nose ring. In India, all have equal rights.
Do you know, there is not even 1% brahmins at TN and at Kerala Hindus are minority. You know better about North East and its continuous insurgency.
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by k kkk on Sep 24, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
SRI KUMAR, how do u say now everything is smooth??
u people are even now not allowing fellow hindus into temples ,u have no right to talk abt tolrence
In namakkal,tamilnadu Sc/ST people were not allowed into one temple (Throupathi amman)The case is still in Madras high court and the small temple is been closed. ha ha ha
u will close the temple but wont allow ur fellow hindus to enter .
RE:RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by Albert on Sep 22, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
About Tenkasi, you have no correct info, its a rivalry going on for few years. Better go and verify the facts and write, I will accept the truth. Dear Sri, I am not coming to whatever happened earlier, both the parties never had faith in law, and escalated to taking six lives. What a responsible leader should have done is to pacify the people and give law a chance. I think criminal justice is much superior in tamil nadu other than any states. Thank you
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by sitaram sakthi on Sep 22, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
Seems you dont know anything about christianity..and its history...and what all has happened in its name. just just seem to know what the missionaries have said about brahmins and about idol worship...and all bad things about hinduism.. if brahmins oppressed u its not the fault of hinduism... no where in hindu scriptures has there been a word of discrimination against any one it is the one that taught the world "sarva deva kudumbam" the world is one.
if u just search for the history of christianity its the most bloody religion and have killed more people than anything else.. in the name of religion, do u know hell fire, do u know spanish and goan inquisition, and what happened in africa , south america etc., how do u think christinaity is 33% of world population, do u think it is because of the holy spirit working on them???????
this charity is just a disguise to convert people
just see this site http://www.halfvalue.com/wiki.jsp?topic=Secret_Circular_of_the_Brahmin_Samaj_of_Balaghat u will know the truth about the missionary..
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by rashmi sahu on Sep 22, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
If you read vedas and Patanjali yoga sutras you will understand how a yogi performs unmanagable superhuman feats.Lord Rama, Lord Krishna lord rama were all astanga yogis , always absorbed in brahmam.When a person is brahma yogi the power of God manifests him.God is realised through guru or such realised souls who are his embodiments.Science can never ever proof how a yogi gives back a life, how he walks on water, how his body doesnot decay in trance or samadhi state.If you think i am just bluffing read autobiography of yogi, lifes of shirdi sai baba, swami nityananda etc.You will clearly understand this.This is called brahma vidya, it never destroys unlike any other knowledge it does not get destroyed with death.
RE:Dont forget PN Oak on History
by Albert on Sep 22, 2007 08:20 PM Permalink
"this charity is just a disguise to convert people"
If you are at the receiving end and kind of deperation you wouldn't say that. When your very own survival at stake how do you see someones motive to help you? When we every quality as equal as brahmin still dicriminated what else to do. God is everywhere and always there for his subjects It makes no difference an Iyer prays or mullah, priest prays for you. As long as you geta solace in god it will instill some good qualities on you no matter whatever religion you follow. But my complaint is many of Hindu brethren were full of hate and vilent thoughts, You cannot undo a mistake or any deed of our forefathers today because they were centuries old. All you have to learn is peaceful co-existence. Every human created has a purpose.
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by The Truth on Sep 24, 2007 12:00 PM Permalink
Mr. sitaram are you blind?, how do you say there is no discrimination in hindu scripture?, Krishna invented caste system, Untouchability, sati system etc are very much present in the hindu scriptures.
