I thik there is a wellplanned programme goimg on by some other relegious leaders & some political parties such as Congress/ left,/dmk etc. getting benefit of soft nature of Hindus & try to disregard Hindus by pinching often & often , forced majorities to accept it. This is also supported by some electronic & print media who always wrongly praise western countries thoughts. This is serious. But please note that Majorities have some limit of tolerance & when it reaches that limits, resulting as what happened in 2001 in Gujarat. Thus this is very serious & try to avide it. Otherwisw big gap will be created between two different religion communities, creating untrust between them & chances of major conflicts & violence. Plese wake up public & make a big loud voice over such dividing people activities.
By any way , indian culture & Hindu relegion is thousands of year old & it cannot be vanished, because Truth always expose itself & this is a truth.
RE:Denying Ram Is denying India; Ram setu; Minority reservation.
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 16, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
Look at what Karunanidhi just said.
You wonder what the grand plan is.
Of course, anything that Vajpayee says is labeled "fundamentlist" or radical but hitting at the core of Hindu beliefs is OK.
What a farce. Jsut posting messages does not work. Look and learn from the missionaries-they are willing to spend so much time and effort to sell a story.
What do the Hindus give back like the Smemtic religions?
Ask yourself this, try to reflect honestly, then become inspired and start locally.
Just posting messages on a board won't do it.
Listen to what Swami Viveakanada and many others have been trying to tell you.
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by JB on Sep 16, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
You think you can make Hindus to be 'missionaries? First thing, most Hindus dont know what their beliefs are. They have no clue who their god is, they bow to any god that looks like a hindu god...what can they teach to other people?
second thing, most Hindus are just selfish and care for only things that matter to them. Whatever others do or dont do, doenst matter to them. That's the reason for the sorry state of India...because nobody cares.
They are good in talking , good in debating and good in posting messages, and that's what u'll get from them. Good luck..!!!
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 16, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Your observations have truth in them.
I cannot make them "missionaries" because Sanatana Dharma is not based on the concept of guilt or "sin".
For them to do something for their fiath or to have a "mission" is something that they have to do.
I agree talk ic heap and a cheap way out.
Any measure of success requires effort.
I believe that Sanatana Dharma is worth it and wil continue till the end of my life to stirve to realise my own true self and welcome you to start your own journey, free form Dogma.
Wherever you go , leave the world a better place than you found it
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by Govindan on Sep 16, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
Great! It is evident that you are inspired by Sanatana Dharma,which propounds the Eternal Truth.I would like to be in touch with you. Do contact me at: knn_1981@yahoo.com
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by JB on Sep 16, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
I wonder how many hindus know the meaning of what you call 'santana dharma'...but if that's ur beliefs, than good luck...at least you know what you believe in
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by Milind on Sep 16, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
JB,
I feel sorry for you JB. Dont be brainwashed. Your eyes and ears are open. But your mind is closed. Hindus dont think it is their "mission" to convert others to Hinduism. Actually conversion to Hinduism is meanigless. Mother Theresa though she was doing a religious duty by helping the lepers and trying to convert them to Christianity. Baba Amte, who also worked for Lepers (including his 2 sons who are doctors) did not have the compulsion of conversion and popularity which was a need for Mother Theresa. This is a good comparison between the schools of thought.
It is very easy to bash other religions. It takes courage to understand their faith and see where it stands.
I guess only a Hindu will say this: Continue to be a good Christian or a good Muslim. And you will automatically become a Hindu. We wont try to convert you because Hinduism is a thought process. Not a religion. The word "Dharma" which is closes to religion means "Duty"
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by JB on Sep 16, 2007 12:36 PM Permalink
I understand your good intention and I appreciate it. Technically it's impossible to convert someone to Hinduism, because the caste system is the backbone of Hinduism. If you convert someone to Hinduism, what caste will he be?
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by Govindan on Sep 16, 2007 12:53 PM Permalink
Vedas and Puranas do not advocate caste system,which was contrived and devised by the British to 'divide and rule' Indians.The rulers who took over from the British also found this a profitable ruse and till date these unscrupulous politicians are continuing to divide the people along 'caste' and 'communal' lines. What is the logic of reservation for non-Hindus? Nobody will oppose reservation on economic criteria,without caste and communal distinction.But these filthy politicians are taking advantage of the secularism in this country and misusing it to hit tolerant Hindus.How long will Hindus tolerate this onslaught?Christists and islamists are compounding the problem for Hindus.
RE:Denying Ram Is denying India; Ram setu; Minority reservation.
by JB on Sep 17, 2007 01:36 AM Permalink
RE:RE:RE:Denying Ram Is denying India; Ram setu; Minority reservation. by Govindan on Sep 16, 2007 12:53 PM
I believe you call yourself a Hindu because you are born in a Hindu family. Other than that, I dont think you have much knowledge of Hinduism.
In Ramayana, there was a Sudra, a lower caste man called Sambuka. Do you know why Rama slained him with his sword? I guess not, else you would not say that the caste system was invention of British ( where did you go to school by the way?)
Rama slained Sambuka because he was offering penances to reach the gods. He did not want a Sudra to offer penenaces and reach gods. So he slained him and the gods from the heavens cried out "Thou hast protected the interests of the Gods, O Highly Intelligent Prince, now ask a boon, O beloved Offspring of Raghu, Destroyer of Thy Foes. By thy grace, this Shudra will not be able to attain heaven!'""
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by Mansi on Sep 16, 2007 01:53 PM Permalink
I disagree with absence of caste system in Hinduism. Its present at least from the times of Valmiki who was supposed to be lower caste, well a couple of characters in Ramayana are supposed to be.
Reservations are a ugly topic - they are bad for most of us. However in some places, even in this very age lower caste is troubled. Look at your maid, or any help you get. In developed countries you'd not have maids at home, and thats the goal too.
About reservation based on "economic well-being": I bet politians like it better because they get votes from poors which is majority, compared to that of minorities.
However, it is difficult to enforce it, and spell the law too. You can magically get poorer for one year before your medical admission (or for that matter few years). Go figure, but still richer-class is at advantage. At time of getting jobs and admissions, you'll be poorer than your help.
