I have rad almost all the messages that appeared in this column. It is not surprising that Hindus are a divided lot even in this matter. Some say the entire Ramaya, Mahabharat etc. are just mythological books without any substance.
The problem with Hindu society is that majority of them do not know what Hinduisum is all about. Since the parents do not know the essence of Hinduism, they do not pass on anything good to their children.
There are lot of schools and other organizations of Chinmayananda Mission across the country. If you take your children at least for a week to any of the organization run by Chinmaya Mission, they would have learned a lot about Hinduism and appreciated how scientific is this relgion compared to other religions. It is the only relgion that scientifically deals with all aspects of universe, earthily livings, planets and stars and co-relate them to the earth etc are classic examples. WE know when there is LUnar or solar eclipse, the influence of the same is felt on earth - even the mighty oceans on earth cannot escape from its influence. Then how can human beings can escape from this. Science of astrology deals with these matters.
It is time for Hindus to learn what exactly is Hinduism. If they know it, no government would have dared to make statements like this. UNITE HINDU BROTHERS, be a proud citizen of Bharat be proud for being borne as Hindu - a religion which has no string attached to it. A Hindu is a free man.
RE:Ram's existence
by Sankalp on Sep 13, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
Sir,we are all living proofs of Hinduism.We may not be able to narrate it,but we know the essence.Unfortunately that includes an open mentality towards other beliefs too which has acted against us by these dirty minded politicians.
RE:Ram's existence
by Shambhu Mehta on Sep 13, 2007 10:14 AM Permalink
Hinduism is made of castes. If you abolish caste sysetms, there is nothing like hinduism. It is the only religion which practices untouchability.
RE:Ram's existence
by Sankalp on Sep 13, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
Sir,it is true that there should be no descrimination along caste or colour.If each community keeps its identity and still be part of Hinduism and have a feeling of unity among ourselves,these politicians will go apply citizenship in Italy.
RE:Ram's existence
by venkat on Sep 13, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
And other religions will put untouchability in practice too as well. Several christians practicsed apartheid for centuries against blacks and asians. History won't forget all these things.
RE:Ram's existence
by Shambhu Mehta on Sep 13, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
It is true that slavery was practiced. But which is the worst between these two, slavery or untouchability ?
Do you belive if I say untouchability is prevailing even in WEstern countries. Many of them are still closed minded people and treat the blacks are inferior people, just like our upper Hindus treat the lower castes here. In Britain even if you are a white-skinned, that wont do. They ask about your ancestors. If they are orthodox, traditional richies, you will have status, otherwise you wont able to wine and dine with the so-called Lords! The division of society there is on CLASS-LINES, not on CASTE-LINES. But the fact is that division is there. Take your own example. If you are well educated, sophisticated and earning good, will you or any of your family members opt for an alliance from a labour class even if they are from your own caste or religion. So man, always made division in the soceity according to the status. In India soceity was divided on professional line and it was given caste colour. Valmiki himself was borne in a low class family, saint Vishwamitra was a Khatriya, but they all got brahinhood or sainthood by their Karma. Take example of Mata Amritanandmai. She is borne as a backward class girl, now attained sainthood and even the high caste brahmin fell on her feet! That is the beauty of Hinduism man. Learn more about your OWN religion first. Search your own root.
I don't need to learn anything from hinduism. Because unfortunately i am born hindu. I don't differentiate men mere from their class/caste or colour. I believe in humanity. One more thing about the name you mentioned. They are and were mere exceptions and exceptions do not make low.
RE:Ram's existence
by Truth Teller on Sep 13, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
But remember just because we beleived, truth will not become false or false become
truth. E.g., many centuries people beleieved earth is flat, or sun going around earth...
did they change just because we believed. When the proof came beleiefs have to change
accordingly otherwise we making ourselves liars and our children followers of the lie.
Your belief determinse your destiny
Sometime back I read in Competetive Success(I ma sure you can refer to may other
hostorical books), a magazine that many Group 1 exam takers prepare had secion on
persons Past, mentioned Jesus 4B.C Budha ~500BC Mohemmed ~500AD there they showed
Valmiki ~800BC and Vedavyas ~800BC as Sanskrit poets, who wrote stories, why didn;t this
agitation takes place then? You know more thing Valmiki is contemperor of Ram as per
Ramayana... i.e Valmiki wrote part of Ramayana as they lived in same age. how is it
possible one who lived 170000years back and one who lived in 800BC can be contemperors?
RE:RE:Ram's existence
by venkat on Sep 13, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
The history was written by ASI and other institutes where commies (communists) rule. so, there is no surprise in here.
RE:Ram's existence
by Shankar Rajaraman on Sep 13, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
For us Hindus, ShriRam is an aspect of Brahman, beyound time and space.It is a futile exercise to date the undatable. But these commies, as Krishna tells in Bhagavadgeetha are Krupanas, mean, selfish brutes who cannot conceive something that is timeless. They think they can give an inferiority complex to Hindus by presenting evidence that their beliefs cannot be dated in history without realizing the fact that for us, Ram is not merely a historical entity, but God in human form. To date him is to limit him. To say that he lived in a particular time and in a particular place amounts to negating his presence at other times and in other places. Even if Rama had not buit the setu, the place has acquired that sanctity in Hindu hearts over thousands of years. How wise is it to build a physical structure on an edifice of broken emotions?
RE:Ram's existence
by Secret on Sep 13, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
To the truth teller,
Why do you repeat the same messge and do not even read replies????
You look so close minded.
The ultimate truth is that nobody knows what is truth. The evidences are made by people time to time and destroyed or modified by people time to time (without any record). In this process, one cannot prove or disprove anything related to old past. Today you may think Ram did not exist and tomorrow you find some evidence and say he existed but he was not god, and day after tomorrow you may not believe in God becuase there is no proof of existence of God. So as time changes, human change the beliefs but truth remains unknown in that sense. So the present belief of millions of people that ram existed should be respected as this large number of people makes a huge part of our nation. 'Competition success' will not teach you many lessons of life except how to write in exams. Books do not teach you many things. So believe that Life is a truth. As you get older you may forget many things but may learn also. Human has always learnt and also forgotten many things. Perhaps Ramayana may be one of those forgotten by many hindus who argue like you asking for evidence of such existence after thousands of years.
