1. The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened by blind chance. Super-ficially the obvious alternative to chance is an intelli-gent Designer. (Richard Dawkins, %u201CThe Necessity of Darwinism,%u201D New Scientist, April 15,1982)
2. The complexity of living organisms is matched by the elegant efficiency of their apparent design. If anyone doesn't agree that this amount of complex design cries out for an explanation, I give up! (Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, W.W. Norton, New York, 1986, preface)
RE:God...
by JGN on Sep 20, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
Theism is a hypothesis which, among other things, attempts an explanation of the universe. The theist recognizes a creator who created the universe and is responsible for its operation. The atheist clearly perceives that the assumption of a creator does not advance him in the slightest degree towards the solution of the mysterious problem of the universe. The oft-repeated question still admits of no answer, "Who created the creator"?
It is an absurd answer to reply that the creator created himself, yet, even if this is granted, may not the universe have created itself? If the theist puts forward the statement that God has always existed, the atheist may well reply that if God has always existed, why can he not say that the universe has always existed? The atheist is not concerned with the creation of the universe; to him it presents a problem which is beyond the comprehension of his present mental capacities. He comprehends the fact of its being, and that is as far as he or any rational mind can go. Atheism confines itself to a refutation of theism, and avoids the theistic fallacy of assuming without any proofs or reasonable arguments to substantiate286 the assumption of an intelligent, omnipotent, omniscient, anthropomorphic, and anthropocentric creator. The theistic assumption has but retarded the advance of practical knowledge, and prepared the soil for superstition and the countless terrors of religious beliefs.
RE:God...
by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
Hmm... valid observation... I do not know the answer to 'Who created God?' Shall try to find it out...
RE:God...
by JGN on Sep 20, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
To me, the gods were created by the Priestly class and some surrealistic visionaries to hoodwink the gullible. They not only earned a livlihood out of that, but also kept the folks under control and made them commit some of the henious crimes in the history of man-kind. Nearly two-thirds of all wars fought in the world were in the name of religions!
RE:RE:God...
by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 05:34 PM Permalink
Also JGN, have you ever seen anybody with trance (I mean genuine ones) where they are able to predict the future accurately... how does this happen?
Also, have you seen people who are possessed (dont give the MPD/SPD answer)... they speak a different language which they had not even learnt about...?
There are supernatural forces at work, about which our minds are ill equipped to comprehend...
RE:RE:God...
by JGN on Sep 20, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
There was a lottery called Super Lotto (I think it is in operation now also) where first prize is awarded to a person predicting 6 numbers accurately. At times the first prize amount was almost Rs. 8 crores due to accumulation of prize money for want of accurate predictions.
If any of the Astrologers could have predicted, they could have bagged the first prize. Once I had addressed this question to Mr. Bejan Daruwala (one of the most famous astrologers in Mumbai) but he kept quiet.
RE:God...
by JGN on Sep 20, 2007 05:42 PM Permalink
Dear Seshadri, nobody can predit a future event accurately and I have not come acorss anybody like that. If there was anybody who could have predicted the devasting earth quakes (Lathur, Kutch, etc or recent Tsunami in South India) a lot of lives could have been saved.
Also nobody can speak a language they have not learnt. I can speak six languages, but I don't think I can ever speak a language I have not learnt. These are all hoaxes and were exposed by Rationalists like Dr. A.T. Kovoor.
RE:God...
by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
Actally, you can have an answer to that question of creator of God...
Just as you are fed extra knowledge by qualifying (or grasping) the current one, you cannot comprehend the origin of God in this form...
When the atma comes into one with the paramatman... (cosmic consciousness), the truth would be revealed...
If something is beyond comprehension, it is open to perception.. and this is precisely what has given birth to atheists...
You are entitled to your perception... but there are questions which an atheist cannot answer.. so it is the same square for everyone... hold your beliefs and perception with yourself and live a peaceful and contented life...
