You may not agree with Karat, but that doesn't give netfolks the right to savage the Left in the rather uncivilized manner in which they are doing now. Look what has happened to the countries that accepted American hegemony unquestioningly. Look what is happening to Pakistan. The country was used by the US in every possible way. Now, the USA is the only Krishna and we are all expected to dance to its bansuri, the way the blue-turbaned Manmohan Singh doing. Any man who have self respect and rational view should agree with me. I am surprised that every body is telling that leftists are "chamcha" of China, what about BJP? Are they chamcha of Pakistanis? They are also opposing the deal
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by smarajit sarkar on Sep 07, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
The problem with NRI netizens is that they are several ozone layers away from India and they believe that they control the Indian atmosphere. I just want to ask them if they'd want India to become a banana republic.Let all of us, who have not caught our worm-catching early flights to the US and are still rooted to the soil, stop listening to the NRIs.They shouldn't tell us how to deal with the nuclear deal
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by raj on Sep 08, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
But you like the NRI money right? When you say NRI we are Indian citizens making a honest living and supporting familes back home. Unlike promoting strikes and lockout like you guys over there. India's big time foreign exchange come from NRI from Gulf , US and Europe. Dont forget that . NOT from CHINA and RUSSIA
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by Buttanna S on Sep 07, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
Look what Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Germany etc have acieved where American hegemony exists. It all depends on how well the host countries deal with the issues that are important.
In all relationships between any two countries there are issues which are matters of self-interest whether it is between India & America or India & Russia or India & China etc.
China is not assisting Pakisthan for nothing; it is using Pak as proxy against India.
Soviet Union subjugated all the East European countries for several decades for their own ends.
Neither China or Russia gave up their national interests for the sake of their ideology.
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by smarajit sarkar on Sep 07, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
do we have much respect for the United Kingdom after Blair surrendered to every order, every dictum that came out of Washington? That was the only low and irredeemable aspect of an otherwise widely-respected Prime Minister's career. Blair reduced the British Isles into an archipelago ruled from White House. Similarly, do we have much respect for South Korea or, for that matter, Phillipines?
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by Buttanna S on Sep 07, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
There is very little difference between the United Kingdom & the USA; they are like one country in two lands from both UK and USA points of view. In the USA, it is the UK that is the dominant force though the USA consists of all European nationalities.
In any case, the UK has been on the downward slide for a long time for reasons other than political. By catching on to the USA tails it is managing to garner a lot of importance, much more than what it can on it's own or deserves.
Is there any respect for China, Russia? They are considered dangerous, rather than respected.
Whatever we may think of ourselves, India is certainly not respected greater than S.Korea, abroad. In fact Indians get one of the worst treatment every where in the world; they have to struggle to get recognition. India will gain respect when it can take care of it's internal problems well, administers well, protects it's citizen from terror, corruption, poverty etc and puts a stop to the adventurism by it's hostile neighbours.
By fearing to go ahead with the deal, which is advantageous to both, we are showing our lack of:
1. confidence in our ability to deal with other countries. 2. contradiction in thinking; sovereignity is not lost when engaging with Russia or China but we lose it when dealing with the USA or the western world.
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by mindgod on Sep 10, 2007 08:45 PM Permalink
Buttanna, Ha.. This is called wisdom.
hats off, dear for such well thoughtout statements. You are indeed a real observer of world politics. This single small post is sufficient to show the depth of it.
The problem is most CPM-goons beleive that what the mad crazy fool in their party study class vomit is all. Sharp intelligence and sense of unbiased observation is required to acertain politics. Because it involves nothing but, how to cheat each other and innocent masses.
Wani, kole, sarkar etc are representatives of may be some good people hijacked by CPM, brainwashed and send to do media activities.
If the topic was terrorism, or minority issues, or castism, or something that divides india, we wouldnt be a match for them. They are well trained in JNU.
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by Red Pascal on Sep 07, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
So definitely South Korea gets more respect than North korea, the nation that chose commies, and Phillipines is not a basket case, so where does lack of respect for Phillipines come from ? it was not even a nation before the war, and on poverty and healthcare it's progress is better than India's, So whatever you may say about the UK, Indians still Q up to get there, look at the doctors protesting about coming back, I do not see Indians lining up to immigrate to China though, nor the Russia, the UK ecomomy is healthy and all respect in this world is related to economic strenght, but a capital hating commie canot understand that can he ?
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by rajeev kulshrestha on Sep 07, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
BJP is not opposing the agreement, they want to show that left are not keen to pullback the govt its only crocodile tears. On this issue if left is differ from govt They should show action in parliament.
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by pradeep agarwal on Sep 07, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
This time the blame can't be put at the door of anyone but UPA.It was their responsibility to take their partners along before signing the deal.You can't be in coalition politics & behave like having 2/3rd majority.Congress is still carrying the hngover of running the government for 30 years.
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by mindgod on Sep 07, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
Do u have energy ready for us?? We savage CPM because, it the worst party ever possible... Reason I have faced the facist way they used to silence everyone in a democratic country using terror and violence.
I have seen by college lab, shattered by them, my teachers beaten up, just because they did not want strike.
I have seen my friends attacked and their legs/bones brocken by SFI goons (may be you too were grown up as those goons) just because they did not agree to SFI threat and withdraw from college elections.
So naturaly as a person of 25 years experience of CPMs terror, I dont want rest of the states to lose their freedom of speech.
Pak co-operated with USA for their gain, or else they would have become a COMMIE state of Russia. USA did not use them. It was marriage of mutual benefit, and PAK being the most benefactor as it was saved from an Invassion.
Do u need any 4th grader to speak of BJPs relation to PAK, even Muslims know about it.
But I say "CPM is more dangerous to India than JIHADISTS".
Live under CPM terror rule, I mean in areas where if u need to talk u need CPM permission, not as goons like you, but as common people.
Your party stings, because usurps freedom of speech from citizens and it is in accordance with your Communist Manifesto.
So we cant let our country become a slave to your COMMIE ideaology.
For that and for better future of freedom, we Indians unlike you CHINESE, align with USA, a country that respect Freedom.
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by Red Pascal on Sep 07, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
Yeah Commie look what happened to the UK, Germany and Japan after the war, they accepted US dominance and became major economic engines, look at what happened to South Korea that chose USA and North Korea that chose China, see the repression and poverty in N Korea ? Ahh I forgot, a commie cannot see that !
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by WishyWashy on Sep 07, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
Comrade Sarkar!
Communist are a bloodsucking leech variety of perfidious lot, doesn't kae much intelligence to figure it out.
The left oppositions started the moment Chinese papers started blaring about the agreement. BJP is in opposition and thats what are expected to do; Lefties are doing it so that Chinese & Pakistanis can go pally pally and Indian development get derailed in favour of Chinese.....
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by smarajit sarkar on Sep 07, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
dear sir, Do not use abusive language like "blood sucking leech" . This is a bad taste. If you are a rational person you can express your views with out disrespecting any body. you have called me comrade, i am going to take it as a complement. thanks you have not called me a bjp supporter
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by raj on Sep 08, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
Mr.WishyWashy - you are right about commies they suck the blood of the poor masses , in the name communism. If they are that labor that labor friedly how come American labor's standard of living is far far higher than any Communist nations even compare to European countries?Can you tell you Communist?
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by dude on Sep 08, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
I totally agree with calling you commies as Blood sucking leech is abusing the leech. Poor leeches shouldn't be addressed so disrespectfully.
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by raj on Sep 08, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
Hello smarajit sarkar, Did you like when Mrs.Gandhi used to dance to the tune of Soviet Union? Pakistan was more close with China than the US. Who provide them the Nuke technology? You said "Blue Turban" No reason to get racial . Yes you guys earned the name by writing Slogan like " Chairman Maos is our chairman. Carrying pictures of Lennin, Bucher Stalin and Marx. So what you expect to call you? And I didnt hear one word about , Chinese attack on India in 1961? Are you aware of it? Well as long as BJP is singing Vandemathiram they can't be chamcha of Pakistan. Can you provide me one prooff to back up your comment about BJP? You guys carry RED FLAG which belongs to China , not India. It belongs to a foreign (enemy) power. And all of your leaders never denounce China. Those are your bosses. You are telling Mr.Manmohan singh is dancing according to US tune? Shame on you. Look yourself in the mirror.Your bosses are not Indians , Your bosses are some White men from Russia, Germany and China. Take a hike.
