You simply called ma liar. But I am not a historian to keep books fot ten or fifteen years, And libraries do change their books, in case you did not know. In any case, there are many references to Hindu-Muslim violence during the reigh of the Nawabs of Oudh. For example:
"After Aurangzeb: The successors of Babar continued to rule over this place till the early 18th century. After Aurangzeb's death (1707 AD), the territories of Awadh were marked by lawlessness. During the reign of the Mughal Emperor Md. Shah and the tenure of the governorship of Burhan-un-Mulk Saadat Ali Khan, a serious riot took place between the Hindus and the Muslims (1735 AD), the former claiming their right over Ramajanma Bhumi. This is the earliest judicial reference available in this regard so far."
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by Shahid Ahmed on Oct 31, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
Mr Prem Mohan
You didnt get me what i said if there was a Mandir then build it but dont kill innocent. Are we 21st Century Muslims responsible for what Babar did or for what Gaznavi did. Just 1 thing from me in Jammu Kashmir Terrosist have raped muslims girls as well becoz terrosist have no religion so does that mean that what happenes in Jammu kashmir the rest of muslims in India Should suffer. I wish these VHP RSS fight it out with them then just kill the innocent. Regarding Ram Mandir i never denied anything if it was demolished then build a mandir on that place but peacefully
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Prem Mohan on Oct 31, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
Sorry. You questioned my integrity. In fact, I have been trying to say that this is an old dispute which hss flared up several times in the past centuries. The BJP may have taken advantage of it, but did not invent the dispute, so to say.
Elsewhere in this forum, I have also said that before 1900, Hindus and Muslims worshipped in the same building which is now called the Babri Masjid.
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Shahid Ahmed on Oct 31, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
when did i questioned your Integrity I said if u had document regarding this please let me know on net or on other libraray near mumbai. so that even i can have a complete knowledge
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Prem Mohan on Oct 31, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
If that's the case, I have no problems. But your earlier remarks were quite different in tone.
The period of the Nawabs of Oudh is completely documented, and surely libraries around Bombay will have many books and documents.
Here is another interesting piece of information. It is said that Babar stayed in Ayodhya/Faizabad for five and a half months. However, in the Tehrik-i-Babari, the chapters relating to this time are missing. So we will never know what Babar thought about the Masjid which was eventually named after him.
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Knight Knight on Oct 31, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
My friend i wish the Mandir could have been built peacefully but the fact is, the day Mosque was demolished muslims through out India were out on streets killing hindus and then came the reprisal from Hindus. Being a Muslim you should know, that muslims will never allow the Mandir to be built peacefully.
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Seeker on Oct 31, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
there we go again... blaming.. pointing.. who cast the first stone kind of logic. why dont u guys understand that the riots were exactly what these politicians wanted.. its takes a very small rumour to get people in the streets.. the only reason muslims protest is that these idiots will not just stop at building a mandir at ayodhya.. if we muslims allow a mandir to be built(personally i feel we should support it) do u people guarantee that u will leave all other masjids in the country untouched? think about it.
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by mohammad yakoob on Oct 31, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
but the support that they enjoy does come from people like youuuuuuuu
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Shahid Ahmed on Oct 31, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
well if that things happen how will politicians survive they will all loose their bread and butter
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Shahid Ahmed on Oct 31, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
mr Knight yes Muslims took too streets and did some bad also we dont deny it but had been it thorugh a dialogue between 2 parties and have good intellectual scholars from both side sat togather there had been a peaceful solution. I have asked muslims also why they didnt oppose when no prayers were offered for more then 40 yrs. So why hue and cry when it is demolished, but you should also see not all muslims were on street. only the anti social elements who wanted to settle their own scores with police. Well in Mumbai its well know to throw of sudhakar Rao naik the then CM of Maharashtra Sharad Pawar along with Shiv sena played games. All riots are due to politicians only
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Santosh Kumar on Oct 31, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
Abe ch*tiye Shahid, this is not the question of one mosque or babri mosque instead it is question of soverginity of muslims in India.
They have list of 1500 mosque which they want to demolish in first stage then their desire is to stop recite of AZAN (pray call) from any mosque then afterwords your gali mosque would be on target and so on.... If you dont have enough knowledge then please dont argue in behalf of community.
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Aakash on Oct 31, 2007 09:12 PM Permalink
Shahid, Good thought brother, I agree that Muslims of 21st should not be blamed for what happened years ago, I hope today's generation understands this and works for a better world, however, I am totally against the demolition of Babri Masjid, it was an act of tyranny and hunger for power thats it. Its a CRIME
RE:Message for Shahid Ahmed
by Shahid Ahmed on Oct 31, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
Aakash we arent against Ram Mandir but why to combine politics and religion Today our stocks are reaching 20000 some enemies of India will be thinking of doing something bad like blasts or riots in Metropolitan cities so that Foriegn investment stops coming. we should be aware of that the work hand in hand for india's progress
