Why do you think Sonia declined to be PM ? She would have got questioned on these issues intensely and therefore she declined. As Congress President - it really does not matter. You got to be really smart to run this country. No one questions Manmohan on politics as that is not his domain and no one questions Sonia because she has no official position ... this is the right way because India's politics is too murky. Does that answer why media is not able to pin them ? Now coming to the Hridaya Samrath who got deflated.
Modi's supporters make Modi look like "chalaa Murari hero banne" Jab hero banne ka samaye aayaa , to dum dabaa kar bhag gaya.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
you seem to have no problem in having a prime minister who is not a politician :-(
Would you get your car serviced by someone who is not qualified to service a car ? ManMoron does not have the BASIC requirement, i.e. understanding politics, to be prime minister.
And you are the one who is calling names to Modi, who is administratively brilliant, regularly wins elections and delivered development.
Your education is waste. probably it was delivered in JNU.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 06:36 PM Permalink
In fact - I would think that the entire executive branch of the government should be non-political and run by experts including the PM. The politicians job is to legislate and not run the country - this will ensure that the best brains run every department.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
exectly, charity begins at home. Next time there is some crime, do not expect police to handle it. get yourself examined by a plumber or electrician or a roadside loafer instead of doctor just in case you happen to have a headache.
Afterall, in your opinion it is not necessary to be a doctor to do doctor's job.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Sanjeev - exactly the point....you have repeated what I said. We may think Pakistan is a lousy country but those guys have been doing superbly on the economic front only because Mushy had the citibank executive become the PM ( and that chap is not even a Pakistani citizen ).
The need for success in today's environment is to have technocrats run the country. In China - most leaders are highly educated engineers and economists who know what they are doing and do the right things backed by the so called communist party. And here we have street side thugs with no education dreaming of becoming PMs.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
....not by small time enterprenuers....like people who do electrolysis / small time castings / electroplating etc.........of which there r a lot in Gujarat......... >>>hooooh - now that is what you think is growing the GDP of Gujarat ?
My building has just 15 flats and we have a power generator installed which gives 100% power back up with which we run all our airconditioners and geysers as well simultaneously. And it does not cost us more than Rs 5 per KVA when use diesel. And coming to roads --- God help people in Bangalore and Bombay . These cities still produce huge chunk of India's GDP.
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by vikas biyani on Oct 22, 2007 07:45 PM Permalink
by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:24 PM ....not by small time enterprenuers....like people who do electrolysis / small time castings / electroplating etc.........of which there r a lot in Gujarat......... >>>hooooh - now that is what you think is growing the GDP of Gujarat ? Let me give u some more facts SME sector%u2019s contribution to GDP has been increasing and is about 40% now. Today, 11.4 million SSI units provide employment to over 27.1 million people contribute 40% of the country%u2019s industrial production and 34% of the exports from the country and also produce more than 8000 products. Even the SSI's alone contribute about 7% of India's GDP............don't discount them based on their small size.....
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
Bye Ashmit. I am already late for the gym .
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
dear educated fellow. you contradict yourself too often. I do not want to involve myself in the circular (and self-defeating) logic you are propagating.
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by vikas biyani on Oct 22, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
....not by small time enterprenuers....like by Anurag" people who do electrolysis / small time castings / electroplating etc.........of which there r a lot in Gujarat......... >>>hooooh - now that is what you think is growing the GDP of Gujarat ? " Are you completely crazy, now because u live in a building with a generator for lifting u up (anyways u seems to be completely lifted) that become the norm for each and every hook of the country, probably u need to really come out of ur plush Gurgaon (or Noida, or wherever)flat and see the realities. In 2004, SSI units production was more than 350000 crores and a direct employement of 275 lakhs people (which u don't consider in ur elite list), a figure which is much higher than 1% population engaged in IT industry. Please do not consider anything small (or middle class) as BAKWAS and non-descript..........a building stands not because of its rooftop or windows (which are seen by outsiders) but by the roots and pillars of the building which can't be seen from outside....
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
Cheers! Now you seem to be rooting for Non-National Prime Ministers too. I knew you are capable of it. Sorry to inform this, Pakistan's good fortune are not because of non-national PM, it is because of the billions, Musharraf bargained as a cost to supprting the war on jehadis.
USSR too followed your philosophy. The last president of USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev was an engineer. He presided over disintegration of his country. Chinese are getting there slowly because they are not very serious about the ideas you peddle. No country survives long if its rulers are ignorant of politics.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
and ashmit ... small scale manufacturing is anyway history in this country. Things are being done on huge scale by the likes of Ambani. The small scale guys will not survive today. And these do not make a huge dent on the GDB growth. A huge plant by Reliance Industries or RPL makes the GDP growth you talk about.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
Sanjeev - Soviet Union collapsed because they took communism too seriously unlike the Chinese. who were practical people. Deng junked the politics of Mao. Gorbachov was a politician and the war in Afghanistan and arms race with US made the Russians backrupt. Their army collapsed and the military industrial complex ran out of resources.
Sanjeev - read some history and come to the forum. Don't make silly statements. And who says politics is not important ? It is important for policy making and laws and put pressure on executive to do the job well.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 23, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
Thanks Vikas. Since you are quoting stats - I assume they are right. A lot like CPI claiming 2 crore retailers in India will be out of job if Walmart comes to India. Like the macchiwala who delivers fish to my house, like the thelawala who barely ekes out a living after bribing the cops and the like. I would be interested in knowing more about these SMEs which are so dependent on state power which they gave up hope on decades ago.
And by the way - it takes at least 6-8 years for power plants and dams to come up and start producing electricity. So where does Modi come in ? I also don't know if Gujarat villages get 24 hours electricity - if so - we must thank CMs who ruled in 80s and early 90s. India will plunge into darkness in next 30 years when the rivers run dry and use of coal is outlawed. Gujarat included unless Ambani (s) decides he is going to do something for his state.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Modi could not handle the holocaust in Ahmedabad and you call him administratively able ? India has been growing fast because of liberalisation and Gujjus have been forefront of Indian business to make use of these business opportunities. Giving credit to Modi is insulting the Gujarati businessman. These businessmen do not need Modi to grow.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
Now you are positivelyy talking nonsense. ManMoron style. Immitation is best form of flattery. "Modi could not handle the holocaust in Ahmedabad"
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by vikas biyani on Oct 22, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
right Anurag, for all good that happens , that happens automatically, and for all the bad things, lets point our fingers to one guy, make him the ultimate COMMUNAL BAKRA, right........?
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:01 PM Permalink
Roads are important but not that important to make such a difference to businesmen. Power is important but people can still have captive power plants which are cheap to operate. The point is that Gujju businessmen succeeded because of liberalisation and not because someone built roads for them. The IT sector succeeded with similar conditions.
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by vikas biyani on Oct 22, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
btw, in the earlier comments, u said there is hardly any body interested in Gujarat in terms of investments, and only regional offices of company can't make it a growth and econmically sopund state, ..........now u r saying that in Gujarat businesses have done well because of their enterpreneur skills and liberalisation. That is understandalble, might be a memory lapse......... but on a serious note, no enterpreneur can thrive without the right atmosphere, right support, right infrastructure (u saying that businesses don't relaly need roads is highly irresponsible and illogical), and thats where the able (or disable and weak)leadershp makes a difference......if liberalsisation was the only key to development, why havent all the states done exceptionally well like Gujarat......come out of your biases and see the facts in their true light.....
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by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Oct 22, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
Mr. Crazy Anurag, There was no holocaust in Ahemedabad. Pick up a dictionary and read its meaning. The real holocaust has been Kashmir. If you and your wife and children are ok-it is fine have hundreds of thousands of Hindus losing everything. Great kindness of heart comes out with so called secularists like you-if a minority pet is hurt. Secularism means all are equal-not one set gets special treatment.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
Meritocary is an advanced form of democracy. What we have is called Kakistocracy. Rule of the WORST people. We have leaders who are criminals, and our prime minister does not know A B C of politics.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
It is a basic requirement of Kakistocracy to oppose good leaders. Hence the opposition to Modi.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
you seem to live in a la la land
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
This country took a new direction when Rajiv Gandhi got Montek , Chidambram, Pitroda and other professionals in key positions. The planning commission changed when he called them a "bunch of jokers" - OK Manmohan was upset as Manmohan was part of the planning commission but then subsequently he got a key role with Rajiv as well as with Narsimha Rao.
Its a reality that this country's progress is the result of liberalisation of just 4-6 professionals.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
Rajiv Gandhi was a pilot who got into politics - he was a professional not a politician. And Sonia Gandhi was just a housewife - and there is no more astute politician than Sonia Gandhi today. And who says Manmohan is at the top ? It is Sonia Gandhi who calls the shots - Manmohan implements. The person who runs the party sets the agenda.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Rajiv was apolitician. So was PVNR who liberalised the economy. Manmoron was just the baboo who would carry anyone's order. Ultimately, a politician needs to be at top. No country in its right mind chooses non-politicians for top executive postts.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Ashmit - so you admit India is running well. Good. And now also believe that Gujarati businessmen are doing well because they are good and not because of Modi.
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by Vijayalakshmi on Oct 22, 2007 08:14 PM Permalink
The mercenary Media is not pinning them because most of these Media are owned by christists,who are actually promoting Sonia,to enable christianization of India.Those Indians who do not know this truth are living in a fool's paradise!
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 23, 2007 09:17 AM Permalink
I just realised this was the longest chain of postings on Rediff without a single message reported for abuse.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
Quite the truth - I have absolutely no problems with either Manmohan or Sonia. Manmohan knows what the right things are and Sonia can provide political back up to help him do his job. Manmohan screwed up big time with nuclear deal as he did not anticipate the left's anger and behaved as if he had a majority when they had just 150 seats in Lok Sabha......and that is why he gets only 8/10 from me on running this country. On other counts - the UPA government is rocking. You and I may think Sonia is a foreigner and it hurts our ego that people get power because they have inherited it .... every poll shows that Sonia is the most popular leader and Manmohan Singh seen as a decent , efficient PM doing a good job.
It does not matter if the cat is black or white as long as it kills the rat.
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by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
product of perverted education.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Well - the maid can run the house but only fools keep jewelery and money in the house... there are banks for that. Shows your level of thinking.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 07:39 PM Permalink
Big deal about bofors. That was the best gun in the world and the army loved it. They kicked Pakistan's sorry ass using that. If some guys had commission in its purchase - big deal about that because that is how the system works.
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by vikas biyani on Oct 22, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
yes, and u go to bank every time u have to wear some jewellery, and buy something in cash try to get to the point of what he is saying........
