RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste
RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/
---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap41.html: ------------------------------------------------------------ --- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charit
RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
and that's why the greatest giver of Indian history Karna was discriminated as Sudra...
What a oxymoron practice that Vedic system practice... great system to practice.. i can't stop laughing
RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
YOU ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THE LIFE OF KARNA, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE LORD KRISHNA?
HE WAS A NON-KSHATRIYA, BUT HE BECAME KING, AND INFACT, HE PREACHED TO THE WROLD AS A BRAMHIN, WHO KNOWS OR REALIZES BRAMHA.
AND BY THE WAY, THOSE WHO SHOWED DISCRIMINATION BASED ON BIRTH OF A PERSON, SUFFERED FOR THEIR MISTAKES EVEN IN MAHABHARATA TIME FRAME. LOOK AT DRONA, WHO BY SHOWING SUCH DISCRIMINATION, HE INCURRED CURSES, WHCIH ARE THE VERY REASON WHY HE FAILED.
Donot only look at one side of the coin or use half-knowledge to create confusion among people.
Indian society is slowly, but steadily coming out of the Birth based (wrong one) caste system, and is looking towards the Character based (ORIGINAL) system. The more India does this, the more India develops.
RE:RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
What ever you say. at the end, Caste system is a failed system. 70% of people still don't have every day bread.
All you rich upper caste people are having a comfortable life whereas poor don't have food and shelter. That's the result of Vedic system.
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Its sad on your part on how you try to downplay and donot try to understand the things in clar way, but you always seems to ridicule things that you donot like, no matter even if they are correct.
THIS ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM EXISTS IN EVERY PART OF THE WORLD. When someone deviates from this ORIGINAL caste system, tehn its not the problem of the System itself, but its a problem of the people.
SO, VEDIC CASTE SYSTEM IS A GOOD ONE, WHICH WAS IDENTIFIED AS A NATURAL EXISTING PHENOMENON AMONG SOCIETIES AND PEOPLES, RATHER THAN CREATED BY SOMEONE. IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT HERE EXISTS THIS KIND OF PEOPLE BASED ON CHARACTER.
IF YOU SAY VEDIC SYSTEM WAS WRONG, THEN I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT YOU ARE WRONG. IF YOU SAY THAT PEOPLE MISUSED THIS ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM, BASED ON CHARACTER, THEN I AGREE WITH THAT.
Dear friend, PLEASE DONOT ARGUE FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUING OR FOR THE SAKE OF SATISFYING YOUR EGO.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 07:14 PM Permalink
You seems to have suffered in the hands of those who discriminate based on birth of a person. I know this from the way you hate caste system that is based on birth. I am really sorry for this. Peace be to you.
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Why do you comment unnecessarily against Vedic system, without knowing about it clearly, especially the original caste system.
Read below one on Original Vedic caste system. Then comment about it. It is the people who misuse the things and the VEDIC knowledge by itself is NOT wrong. Rest I leave it to your conscience and discretion if you still want to talk against our values.
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
if a person misuse a system and if the general public can't remove it, it's a failed system.
In democracy, if a leader misues his power, the public can go against him Democracy system. What do u have similar to vedic system.
Why India is not following Vedic system? because it's a failed system. just get over it.
